Posts by trailerfitter

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i think i might return to the WTS

by dm6 in

man im so drained right now and tired i cant say a whole lot.. but you know, i was thinking about going back to them and just to see a bit more about it all.. i dont know to be very honest with you if its thr right thing to do or not on a personal level.. .

i guess i need to mull things over.. .

any suggestions from previous jw's would be awesome for me.

trailerfitter

Check out Edward Current on you tube "I've converted to EVERY religion (just in case)"

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Pams girls...what you have just described is shocking ,...this is what I have to expect.? This is actually evil itself. However God likes to kill children anyway....Luckily for our son, he is very active and can't sit in the KH for long and she doesn't want to take him along ..yet. I will watch out for it.

She told him a story at bed time which is a JW publication. Its about this guy and his wife who held money back after selling their land to help the christian congregation... God killed both of them on the spot for lying... I was shocked at this after wed already discussed violence on TV. It's okay for god to kill even after the couple wanted to hold back a bit of money for themselves??? the boy ws indifferent at that point but if the story is repeated I think the info would have sunk in. The little one is playing with another JW boy at the moment. What am I to do? Ban him from socialising with them?

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The 'Twortle' ... was it designed?

by just n from bethel in

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explique moi s'il vous plait.

trailerfitter

Wow,............ was that found near chernobyl?

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Hadit,... the last point you just made about who my wife was going to listen to for the rest of her life was the thing that was the wake up call. We as a family make decisions but not any more. She is seriously convinved that the WT publications give her such good leadership. I do ask, when she come up with little gems or pearls of wisdom, where did she get them from?...out of "how to have a successful family " WT publication or has she though something through properly.

Thanks again all of you. I am amazed on how many post there are already on this thread.... now for some more reading!!!

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Okay, again much thanks, alot of great and practical advice on here. I must admit this is the first time I have really reached out for help. This is a tough one for me and I have been left struggling with my own feelings about our marriage and future together.

We had plans. Now they have changed. I am attending college to change my career path. While I have financial support from her I get no moral support or interest from her. It is difficult. She will listen to her JW friends but not spend the time with her husband talkiing about our future.....Since the JW end of the system of things was burned into her mind all has changed.

I had the visits from an elder and every time I was discussing with then their failures in prophesy they though I was asking questions that they thought were bound to seek for me. I have visits from at least 3 different pairs including the most experienced....I call her the rat catcher...she would block everything fairly determindly what I said and she would answer as if I had just asked a question.

The same phrase from each pair would be " oh, well I see you have thought about this then". That to me was like getting an automated answer. Perhaps it really is a hive mind? I did go to have a dinner with her friend and to be honest it was good when they were not with their bibles. Only thing spoilt it was the vanity I experienced from one of the girls who was quite insecure about herself and in an instant she said it would be okay when Jehovah sorts it all out. I felt sorry for her and understood that the elder who was their had never been married. at 50 I find that slightly odd but cannot judge anyone on their life.

Franklin. I understand what you are saying and it is most sensible. If any lessons are to be learned from history, Ghandi, his attitude towards peaceful protest must be of most interest. I will try it and see what happens. Unfortnately when she starts on the bible bashing then I am dragged kicking back on the internet feverously researching facts rather than just accepting the distorted AWAKE version of history. I asked her if she know what the Nicene Creed was,...she didn't know. I bet she is checking all her publications now. This is a very important event in the creation of the bible....( I am alway flying by the seat of my pants when it comes to bible stuff).

Is it of benefit to my wife to be in the JWs at this point in time? No it is not. Why do the WT give such false hope and turn their followers against the material world? It is itself detrimental. As I said earlier it is causing separation in society and on a personal level if she feel fear because she is obliged to make life determining choices then decisions should be made correctly and not under illusional influence. We were going to buy a house but all this has fallen through now. Why bother?.............

I origionally agreed for my wife to study the bible in Russian so she may understand it...that was all. Why is it now that she is obliged and feels she needs to be fed often by the WT and the kingdom hall preachers? I watched a DVD they had recorded of a sermon. The guy depressed me as I knew where his talk was leading...Armaggeddon. I find it insulting that thse not following the true religion will be slaughtered. And it is still coming and will be here soon...yeah right!

The bright thing about this situation is it has brought my step son, who is now 18 yr old, and myself closer together.,...we share the same opinions about her behaviour, her new doctrinal beliefs and the fact he supports evolution. We can discuss our findings rather than opposing each other with retorical religious worn out dogma.....It has also stimulated him to research odd facts about how humans have spread into the world, our differences in languages and cultures past and present.

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Note to Carla...Yes we do have children. One of 6 years old and one at 18. I have already looked into this. The UK has a ruling where children cannot be deined blood at all by a parent. That is the policy in all hospitals. However adults can choose. I have told her that under no circumstances is she to take the children abroad. Especially CSI countries without me. Before she was on that brick road we were witness to her sisters refusal to give blood to her husband who nearly died after a motorcycle accident. It was my mother in law who interviened and saved his life. He is also not a JW.

Now here is something to note. My wife actually works in the hospital but only as auxillary staff. She argued with me the blood case and the fact it is not all checked by hospitals so could be infected. This is wrong all blood is screened and I have asked a doctor friend of ours and also the department in the hospital itself. No arguement there. Yes I will protect myself and will check out the law on this one.

I have got to say thanks again and it is good to communicate with folk who understand this issue. Also glad that I am not the only person who is suffering the WT effect. I find it offensive that some members say they are the most hate religion. Perhaps they are, and there is no wondering why.

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Wow some really good answers in such a short time. Thanks! I guess I have some options and they are varied. Sulla,...I did start of the road to making everyhing as uncomfortable as possible while the BS and her firends were trying to influence her. Whispering is rude and it happens when I am close. Thngs generally just made her study harder, argue even more fiecely so this did not work. Becuase I haven't read the bible from cover to cover under guidance that make me unworth to dedate with apparently. ( even if I did have an English education including biblical studies). Unfortunately for her BS tutor I can undersand Russian perfectly as this is what they speak in. They cannot hide anything.

I will be the nice guy.

I think most people are fairly decent just simply mislead. Neither do I have the answers nor to I claim to.

We had a very bad experience with our neighbours who were drugs dealers. They eventually left for another housing region but this left a very bitter taste in my wifes mouth. She thought England was such a wonderful country until this happened and it shattered her illusions and brought her to the same reality which she was running away from in her own country. I feel she is running away again and I really do not want her to get hurt by a group who only insulate her from reality rather than dealing with the harsh truths. Most people are very decent if no predjuces are held against them and I think the JWs are going to instill even more fear, and predjudices.

She does not trust me which is why I feel betrayed.

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Hi thanks,... Steve Hassan I have heard of. I saw his opinions on a "Russian Today" news piece when they indeed were banning the JWs in Russia. Thanks for your kind advice and links. I have met a few JWs now and for all intents they are nice people until their beliefs are touched on. My wife is actually Ukrainian. We have a large population of Russian speaking people from the Baltic states working and settling in this area. I feel though her biblical education is being accelerated because she is "useful" in recruiting in this area of the UK.

She told me yesterday that she is now "qualified" to teach. I was stunned. In one year is this possible? I asked her if she knew what Gnostic meant, or what a Theist is. She couldn't answer using her lack of english as defense, however she and her sister were able to check out the KJV bible for weaknesses...... astounding!

I do not want to instigate any which-hunts but now am feelng I should become pro active against their door to door activities in our area perhaps the Kingdom Hall will disown her if they think her husband is working for Satan ??? Silly idea huh? .

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Wife is on that yellow brick road to the WT.

by trailerfitter in

hi, this is my first post on this forum although i have been reading many posts on here.

i feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......from what i have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the watchtower influences for one reason or another.

i am, for want of a better word, a none believer.

trailerfitter

Hi, this is my first post on this forum although I have been reading many posts on here. I feel safe enough to ask your advice and become involved now......From what I have learned about this forum it is occupied by sensible people who have left the Watchtower influences for one reason or another.

I am, for want of a better word, a none believer. I did have some sort of obscure spiritual notion which was more Eastern in origin that anything else. I do tollerate all others but after delving into the dark world of reigious beliefs briefly especially after my wife started bible study with the JWs ( you guys call them the Borg right?) I have decided to walk right away from it all. If christians will argues then so be it but it is in total confusion..

If there is arguement and division in humanity this surely is a bad think and I do not see that promoting segragation is right which is what the impression I get from the Watchtower. Forgive me, I have perhaps watched too many you tube videos??

Okay heres the crunch,

...my wife has been influenced to the extent that she will soon be baptised. I do not agree with this. It is so odd that I told her that I do not agree with this however before she goes out she'll ask my permission for her to do her duties with the JWs... I find this very odd indeed.

We have argued about the WT organisation who have a poor track record. I pointed out the 1975 prediction which was shrugged off from visitors from her congregation who denied it to me, never heard about it, but admitted to her later that they never believed Armaggeddon was going to happen on that fateful October.

Her friend she met last year,..the recruiter comes around every Wednesday. She whields more influence over my wifes thinking than I do and I have been married to my beloved for 9 years now., We sometimes discuss religious issues to their annoyance, they cannot provide answers without becoming defensive or backing down to return the answer the next week the also can get a little excited at times to become angry. The accuse me of disruping their bible studies. No, not from my point of view. My wife now goes out on ministry often, the telephone is always ringing, she goes to the Kingdom Hall regularly perhaps 3 times a week and we are seeing less and less of her. It doesn't help that her sister is a JW too.

I am interested in worldy affairs, I am middle aged so can recall the news from 20 years ago, the Ethiopian problem does not go away , however my wife has the latest copy of awake to get her opinions from. It is the sign of the end of things....she believes nothing else. I guess you guys know this already. I do research on the internet, it is not valid since apparently "satan" writes all the articles on there according to her. The bible is the only truth.....Is it? I think not however it is for her along with the WT publications.

Your advice?

Anyway I perhaps took the wrong approach trying to make her see the WT is filling her with more spoilt fruit that "spiritual food" however I am tired and very frustrated with her new found thinking. What can I do to change this situation? She was a good woman before the JWs got their hands on her. Why they want to make her a better wife is beyond me. I was happy with her beofre all this . now I am loosing the essential love. It's a horrible situation. I'd like her back but is this possible or am I looking at a long wait before she comes to her senses? Perhaps now she is damaged beyond repair?

How did you guys and girls come to finally "see the light" / realise the truth as it were?

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Gay scientists Isolate "Christian Gene"

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qczbnkyxo50.

trailerfitter

makes me laugh!