Minimus,
That's wonderful news! I wish her a quick recovery.
i just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.
she is on morphine and hanging on.
she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.
Minimus,
That's wonderful news! I wish her a quick recovery.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
SecretSlaveClass, you should meet my mom! She's even more hard core!
Jwfacts, I feel the same way. If God was really involved, one victim, or the concept of one victim in someone's perverted mind would have been too much!
Punkofnice, I'll have to remember that for next time & ask him what he would do if it was his grandson. It MIGHT make him think twice. Once when I was going through a divorce about 15 yrs ago, my abusive ex broke into my apartment, which I was renting from a witness couple. I called the police, and my presiding overseer @ the time said "I can't believe you'd take a brother to court!" I asked him what he would do if a "brother" broke into his house & raped his wife. I got no response, of course!
my mom especially had some go-to phrases that to this day echo in my head and piss me off.
things like, .
"don't get mad at me for enforcing the rules, because jehovah made them, so if you don't like it, you're disrespecting him.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
DesirousofChange,
My mother will also say, "Well, we're living in the last days, & when Paul wrote to Timothy about 'critical times' he was talking about those in the congregation!" I swear, there is a regurgitated answer for everything!
my mom especially had some go-to phrases that to this day echo in my head and piss me off.
things like, .
"don't get mad at me for enforcing the rules, because jehovah made them, so if you don't like it, you're disrespecting him.
"He that is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much..."
"Let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall."
"You know, in Israel disobedient children were stoned to death."
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
Olivia Wilde, my son had questions about disfellowshipping because someone we know was being shunned in the congregation. My husband & I were DF'd when he was born & we decided to tell him when he asked about the other situation (we were DF'd because we got married when I was legally divorced but not scripturally free . . . long story!)
He said he didn't want to give talks or be baptized into a religion that disfellowshipping and won't talk to family members. At 8 years old, he has it all figured out. We started missing more & more meetings, and when my husband & were talking about the ARC, he had questions, so we told him what was happening, and how we couldn't support the organization if this was allowed just like we wouldn't send him to a school or other organization that didn't protect kids. He understands quite well, but I feel like he gets stuck in the middle of it BTW 2 sets of very active witness grandparents, aunts & uncles. We are trying our best to keep our families & also to stand up for our convictions. I think many of us are fighting the same battle. I'm reading a book written by a non-JW acquaintance of mine whose family survived Nazi Germany. She said "I would also like to encourage others not to be embarrassed or afraid when they know they should march out of step, even if they stumble and fall". I think her words really apply to all of us here.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
Oubliette and LostGeneration,
Thanks for your replies! I know, it's totally cult mentality. I can only hope something will wake them up. My mom mentioned the "big shake-up at Bethel" and I said, "Maybe they're running out of money from all the child abuse lawsuits..." She didn't reply, but who knows, maybe she'll think about it.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
a few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
A few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the Theocratic School ( sounds like I almost off the hook with that one...LOL). We live in a different state, but I came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (I am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!)
I tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so I brought up the ARC and child abuse cases I had heard of in our area. He of course said, "Don't worry about it, Jehovah will take care of it!" I said, " Well, he hasn't done anything for the past 65 years, so maybe someone else should!" I also said that I had watched the ARC myself, to dispel any ideas he would have about my exposure to apostate ideas. He just dropped it and didn't continue the conversation.
So, today my family visited us, and my father put his arm around me, did the whole elder stance, elder voice thing, and said, "Remember the conversation we had a few weeks ago about child abuse, well, one thing you have to be careful of is where you get your information from. You can't always believe what you read! Besides, I asked your brother (a Bethelite), and he hasn't heard a thing about it!" I told him that I watched it live streamed from the RC website, and you can't get any more accurate than that! Seriously!!!! I nearly lost my mind!!! How could I be such a stupid, uninformed female! (I actually do have a college degree, but he is in denial about that as well, because he thinks my husband should be the breadwinner & I should be the submissive, stay at home Mom).
So, I think this may be the response we'll continue to get about all of the WT's recent developments, at least for a while. There will come a point when it will be impossible to deny, though. It can't come soon enough!