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  What Does the Bible REALLY Teach: The Meaning of Your Baptism

  by 00DAD in

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  what is the meaning of your baptism?

  to whom do you belong?

  the book, what does the bible really teach?

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  Yes, but "in association with" is NOT the same as "obedient to," not even close!

  I know the WT Legal Department has promulgated that argument, but I don't buy it. It's BS.
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  What Does the Bible REALLY Teach: The Meaning of Your Baptism

  by 00DAD in

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  what is the meaning of your baptism?

  to whom do you belong?

  the book, what does the bible really teach?

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  What Does the Bible REALLY Teach: The Meaning of Your Baptism

  by 00DAD in

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  what is the meaning of your baptism?

  to whom do you belong?

  the book, what does the bible really teach?

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  What IS the meaning of your baptism? To whom do you belong?

  The book, WHAT DOES THE BIBLE Really TEACH? explains it this way:

  Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him. —Psalm 25:14. - p. 183, para. 24 - [Emphasis added]

  This is from Chapter 18, "Baptism and Your Relationship with God," under the subheading, "The Meaning of Your Baptism." This book was first published in 2005. I personally checked the 2013 edition online and it still says this.

  Now isn't that interesting? Our dedication is to God. It is explicitly stated that it is NOT to "a work, a cause, other humans or an organization."

  So why then did the WTBTS say this in 2011:

  "We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah's approval." - w2011 7/15, p. 24, Simplified Edition (English)

  BTW, neither of these terms appear anywhere in the Bible Teach book:

  • Governing Body
  • Faithful and Discreet Slave

  Nowhere. They are not there anywhere.

  Why is that? Why aren't these all important terms there if this is really what the Bible teaches? Seriously, this is a big deal, as in Big Deal!

  One of the hallmarks of a manipulative, mind-control cult is having separate Insider and Outsider Doctrine. This compartmentalizaton of information is just one aspect of their control. They control your information, your behavior, your emotions and even your thoughts.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-10-2013 WT Study (TRUSTED STEWARDS)

  by blondie in

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  your relationship with god will then be like that of those christians to whom paul wrote: you do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price.

  for example, the comments jesus made about one.

  master, jesus christ.1 cor.

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-10-2013 WT Study (TRUSTED STEWARDS)

  by blondie in

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  your relationship with god will then be like that of those christians to whom paul wrote: you do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price.

  for example, the comments jesus made about one.

  master, jesus christ.1 cor.

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  What a contrast between the Insider Doctrine in this WT Study article and the Outsider Doctrine taught to the public. Compare the above assertion of authority and obedience to the organization and its GB with this little jewel from the What Does the Bible Really Teach book:

  Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him. —Psalm 25:14. - p. 183, para. 24 - [Emphasis added]

  This is from Chapter 18, "Baptism and Your Relationship with God," under the subheading, "The Meaning of Your Baptism." This book was first published in 2005. I just checked the 2013 edition online and it still says this.

  BTW, neither of these terms appear anywhere in the Bible Teach book:

  • Governing Body
  • Faithful and Discreet Slave

  Why is that if this is really what the Bible teaches?
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-10-2013 WT Study (TRUSTED STEWARDS)

  by blondie in

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  your relationship with god will then be like that of those christians to whom paul wrote: you do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price.

  for example, the comments jesus made about one.

  master, jesus christ.1 cor.

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  DATA-DOG: The rank and file have a stewardship " in a sense " and all the responsibility of stewards, just none of the perks.

  Good catch!

  Did you notice the article linked these traits with stewards: Faithful, trustworthy, authority and responsibility.

  Now in the real world, authority and responsibility are intrinsically linked. It is axiomatic that a person should not be held responsible for things over which they have no authority or control. Similarly, when a person is granted a measure of authority they need to handle it responsibly.

  Note that in this particular WT study the word "authority" is only used once. It appears in paragraph 4 in the context of discussing a stewards role in a household in "ancient times." It is immediately after the reference to the FDS in paragraph 3 and immediately before a discussion of the role of elders and other overseers in the congregation.

  Notable is the fact that the word "responsibility" and related forms appear thirteen times in the article! This is grossly disproportionate.

  It's a subtle but powerfully manipulative trick on the part of the writers of this article. They are clearly re-asserting the unbalanced relationship between the GB and the R&F in the organization. The GB have authority. They delegate a measure of that to the elders and other overseers. The unwashed masses of R&F JWs are expected to be faithful, trustworthy and responsible, but they have no authority, none.

  Let's be clear: If you're a JW, you are a slave. In fact, you are a "good-for-nothing slave." - (ibid, p. 11. para. 9).
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  Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class. - w2012 12/15

  by 00DAD in

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  this was brought up earlier today on blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant i thought it warranted it's own discussion.

  here in the wt study article for this week is this remarkable statement: .

  most faithful christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para.

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  Aussie Oz: There would have to be more evidence of my claims above than they have for theirs...

  That wouldn't be hard, since there is NO evidence for any of their assertions!

  ÁrbolesdeArabia: "THE GREAT FLOCK" ... "THE LITTLE CROWD" ... "THE OTHER-OTHER SHEEP" ... "THE LITTLE MULTITUDE"

  That's pretty good. I think you've just the gift for coming up with doctrine that these boys need!!! ...

  Clearly, it doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to keep things spinning.
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  Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class. - w2012 12/15

  by 00DAD in

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  this was brought up earlier today on blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant i thought it warranted it's own discussion.

  here in the wt study article for this week is this remarkable statement: .

  most faithful christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para.

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  Pterist, agreed. They ARE talking out of both sides of their mouth(s). It's really embarrassing how poor they are at getting their own story straight. Apparently they either

  A. aren't that bright,

  B. can't think this through,

  C. are really sloppy,

  D. just don't care that much, or

  E. ALL OF THE ABOVE.

  wh: Evidence? I just saw a conclusion without any basis.

  Evidently!
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  Playing Around With the Most Important Scripture In Watchtower Theology - Again

  by Cameron_Don in

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  matthew 24:45-47. .

  old light: jesus appointed rutherford and his associates over his belongings in 1919. verse 47. new light: jesus appointed rutherford and his associates over his domestics in 1919. verse 45. why the change?

  what difference does it make?

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  Data-Dog already commented on it, but today's WT had this bit o' confusing verbage on this New/Old-Light subject.

  • "Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class" - w2012 12/15

  While it's technically in keeping with their "New Light," it certainly is misleading to the point of absurdity! It really reads more like their Old-Light

  These guys just can't seem to get their stories straight, can they!

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  Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class. - w2012 12/15

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this was brought up earlier today on blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant i thought it warranted it's own discussion.

  here in the wt study article for this week is this remarkable statement: .

  most faithful christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para.

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  This was brought up earlier today on Blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant I thought it warranted it's own discussion

  Here in the WT Study article for this week is this remarkable statement:

  Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para. 3

  Wow! That's an understatement.

  As I'm sure you all know by now, according to their recent New-Light revision of the FDS doctrine, only the 8 men of the Governing Body are members of that "faithful steward class."

  For your reference, not this from the jw.org website:

  NOVEMBER 9, 2012

  Annual Meeting Report

  “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?”

  The evidence points to the following conclusion: “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.” - [Emphasis added]

  This raises some really interesting questions:

  • Are these guys deliberately publishing obtuse, confusing doctrine?
  • Or are they really that lame that they can't even publish consistent teachings within a few months of each other?

  Either way, it makes them look bad. Really bad.

  Now I realize that this WT study article was actually written months before. But presumably the GB also didn't just wake up the day before the Annual Meeting on October 6, 2012 and decide to change the FDS doctrine. Maybe they did. I don't know and they're not saying.

  Perhaps they thought that if they were too specific in this study article that it would give away the FDS "New Light" to anyone that read it when it was first available on-line. I don't recall if this WT was posted online prior to the Annual Meeting and wouldn't know if congregations got it before that.

  But they could have simply left this sentence out or reworded it in such a way as to be consistent with "current Truth" or at least not be so absurd.

  I can only conclude that these guys just aren't that smart. They simply cannot come up with coherent teachings and deliver them in a consistent way.

  Clearly, neither Jehovah, Jesus or the Holy Spirit have their backs!