once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:Hey Mysticool: Awesome baby!!! Where did you learn such big words as, Raskolnikov, ubermenschal tendecies, and Raskolnikovian constitutive form of beingness?:
Mainly from the wt, ak, and russian literature. I am possessed by the spirit of Raskolnikov.
:Did you tell this to Hildabingen? My post was simply her words reversed. Hey, shag me honey ... I bow to you, hon. Wooo ... too hot to touch!:
Some girls got it like dat.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
Amazing:
Thanks for the spoof, dear. But the joke is on those who overlook those who possess the wisdom of Raskolnikov, the true eagles.
When you have grasped the ubermenschal tendecies and Raskolnikovian constitutive form of beingness, call me, hon and we will talk.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
Herbert:
There are different philosophies of science. You only think Ptolemy was proved wrong. Assertions do not prove a thing. Your philosophy of science may differ from mine. Each to his own. You cannot prove yours. I can not prove mine.
:In plain English they got it wrong. Using long words doesn't change a thing. Clearly they had to make anal sex acceptable to accomodate their elders and fellow GB members who liked little boys a bit too much.:
Anal sex is unacceptable among Yahweh's people. You do not know what you talkin bout.
:What is it Hilda, you say "misapprehended" to everything. Is it the only word you know? It certainly sounds better than lying but in the context in which you use it it means the same thing.:
No it do not. They misunderstood some things. They did not lie doh.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:I understand what you are saying but it just doesn't make any sense. Anyway, why would you want to be affiliated with an organization who constantly "missapprehendeds" the bible? If the WTBTS really is Jehovah's earthly organization why would this be allowed to continue?:
The org does not always missapprehend bible. they got lot things right. Israel was Yahweh's earthly org at one time. Look at things they got wrong. God allowed it for short time. Then he acted. Today God cleaning up org in time. But bride of christ will have all her spots removed by the end of system.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
Herbert:
:What amazing stupidity. If a theory is falsifiable then, once falsified the theory becomes false. Otherwise it wasn't falsifiable to begin with. It's as simple as that.:
What you overlook is that Ptolemy's theory was never proved false. Let us say that a theory is falsifiable. It does not follow that anyone has ever proved any theory to be false just because theory may be falsifiable. Neither has Ptolemy's theory been proved false.
:The rest of your post mainly amounts to nothing more than a histrionic statement of your beliefs. Although, I did have to smile at your gaffe on sex; obviously you agree with me that the WTS got it wrong on oral and anal sex.:
the wt did not get oral and anal sex wrong. they just missaprehended some things. They got it right now.
:It's pretty obvious that they have gotten it wrong on sex in general. For example, in regard to sex outside of marriage, they do believe that it's ok in certain circumstances.:
Wrong.
:If, for example, one of their elders has sex with a 4 year child then it's OK as long as he doesn't do it in front of two or more adults.:
You misrepresent the truth.
:Another example is the homosexual rape of a 10 year old child which qualifies one to be a special pioneer provided that one says that one is sorry.:
It not just about saying sorry Repentance does not mean just saying sorry.
Red:
:Your original statement was that the JWs were absolutely factual as far as
The wt has got the trinity, hellfire, sex issues evolution right. they also know God and his name. So there.My request to you is to PROVE that these "beliefs" are absolute facts. You cannot. Whether or not something is logical to your mind does not make it a FACT.:
True to your last sentence.
:Stating that these "beliefs" make logical sense to you, and therefore the WTBTS is to be followed as the purveyors of truth in all aspects of life is not particularly wise, IMO.:
Not only are my beliefs logical they are biblical. The trinity is not. And beliefs do not have to be proved to be factual. You have all kind of beliefs that are probably factual and they are unproved beliefs. You believe you are a woman. Can you prove it? No. You believe you have been living longer than 5 minutes. You can make an argument for your belief. But you might not convince a skeptic you are older than 5 minutes old. but your belief in this case is probably factual. I cannot PROVE trinity is wrong. I can show that it is an unlikely belief like you can show that you have lived 5 minutes unlikely belief.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:Sweetie, what you are saying is that you BELIEVE this particular interpretation of the Bible to be fact. Unfortunately, bunnybutt, that does not make your belief, FACT.
You do NOT know that these beliefs are FACT....they are opinions and beliefs....no more, no less.:
Are you a relativist, dear? Shame if you are.
Trinity is not biblical. If there is a place in God's bible that it is taught--then show us. Also how can three persons be in one substance? Give us a break, honey. The Trinity is false. Even trins know it.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:A fundamental requirement for any theory is that it be falsifiable. The WTS's views on education have put you rather at a handicap. Perhaps you should consult an elementary text on physics of chemistry.:
Just because a theory is falsifiable does not mean that when another comes along to take its place that it is false. Ptolemy's model was an inadequate explanation. It was not false. A better model replaced it that fit the data better. That does not mean that what Ptolemy said was false. The problem is with your perception, dear.
:Russell never propheside in the foretelling the future sense. That is the last time I will repeat that. He gave his understanding of God's prophecies. the problem was epistemological and not ontotheological.
You are denerating into poor parsing which is a sure sign that your "brain" is on overload. What, pray tell, is pointing to the end of the world in 1913/1914 but making a prediction about the future. This was done by invoking God's authority which makes it false prophecying. In any event, it was false teaching which is just as bad.:
Russell and other just repeated what they thought God's bible was saying. they did not predict anything. they made explanatory attempts.
:LOL. There' sno way to disprove the trinity. The Bible speaks of Gehenna as a place of torment so, again, there is no way to disprove the concept of eternal torture by God for sinners.:
It is easy to disprove trinity. the bible does not teach it and it is not logical. Gehenna is a figurative place of torture. do you also believe worms are in hell just waiting to crawl all over your dead bod?
:On sex issues, you probably are aware of the Society's flip flops on oral and anal sex aren't you.:
I was talking about homsexuality, premarital sex and adultery.
:The WTS's view of masturbation is unscriptural.:
They say it is a bad habit. what is unbiblical bout that?
:On evolution, well, any religion that attempts to disprove a scientific fact by using deliberate misquotations hardly has a case.
Although, amusingly enough, by your earlier "arguments" the theory of evolution is not false, is it?:
Evolution is not false. It is inadequate. The bible does not teach it and it is not logical according to common sense.
Use yours.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
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The wt has got the trinity, hellfire, sex issues evolution right. they also know God and his name. So there.
And you know this as an absolute fact....how?:
Through God's bible, his spirit and common sensical logic. Trinity is nonbiblical and incoherent. God cannot burn people forever in hell. Sex outside marriage is wrong. Evolution is an inadequate cosmogenic theory.
dutch:
Mis:
That is my point. Russell did not say that they was his prophecies. He said they was gods.
Mis, do you see what you are saying? Can you understand from the above isolated answer that you gav to Alan F. just what is involved? Russell said that his prediction of dates came directly from Jehovah. Do you get that point?:
You are not understanding what Russell said. Russell thought he was just repeating what the bible said. He did not come up with his own dates. He was not saying that his predictions (he never made any) came from God. Russell wasm explaining God's bible.
:You are right, Russell did not claim that the predictions were his. Actually, since the prediction did not come true, it would have been better if they came from a mere mortal. But no, Russell said that they came from God and so we must conclude that the prediction God gave him was wrong! Can you see that now?:
You can also conclude that Russell missapprehended God's bible. You do not have to think that God gave him wrong information. I have caught Mr F in a lie. He now wants to shift ground. We figured that would happen. Too bad for mr f. the wt did not use the possessive "their prophecies."
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:It seems that you are the most prolific poster these days. You seem to be everywhere so it is impossible to miss a comment or two of yours. However, I noted in your earlier posts that you claimed to be a Christian Mystic, independent of the Watch Tower, defending the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet today you have admitted to being a Jehovah's Witness in complete agreement with Watch Tower policy. So would I be correct in saying that you are a Jehovah's Witness Mystic?:
I think my original claim was that I answer to no one but god. I still hold that position. But I also see no need to be independent from the wt. As long as they abide by the bible, I abide in them. So you could call me a jw mystic.
:As a Mystic, were you greatly influenced by Madam Blavatsky's THE SECRET DOCTRINE? I would enjoy hearing your comments on Madam Blavatsky's most important work.:
I have not been infleuced by Blavatsky. My infleunces were Hildegard and Catherine of Siena. I also like Denis.
And you can find the artiel on Kung by using the wt cd. It is there.
once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.
this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.
he finally got a bright idea.
:Here you show real ignorance. Ptolemy's theory was false. However, that does not make it dishonest or unhelpful in the sense that even thinking about the structure of the universe was a step in a positive direction.:
Ptolemy's theory was not false. You have offered no proof to back up your claim. There is no such thing as a false theory. Theories are either adequate or inadequate. They are not truth claims and are exempt from truth conditionality demands.
:However, WTS teachings are both false and dishonest in many cases. Why? Because the WTS claims to speak for God it cannot easily dump its failed teachings and prophecies and so it resorts to shoring them up even after they have been disproven. Further, the WTS lies as is easily seen by reading its Creation book.:
The wt does not lie. at times certain ideas have been inadequate or the truth has been missapprehended. To missapprehend is not to engage in the act of propogating falsehood.
:Now, as for prophets, what prophet does not come in a god's name? Of course Russell claimed that the prophecies were God's prophecies. That is the scenario neatly laid out in Deut. 18. Of course, when those prophecies failed it became clear that they had nothing to do with God. Ergo, the propecies then were to seen to be those of the false prophet Russell. That's why the failed prophecies of the WTS are "theirs" and theirs alone - if not theirs then whose?:
Russell never propheside in the foretelling the future sense. That is the last time I will repeat that. He gave his understanding of God's prophecies. the problem was epistemological and not ontotheological.
:Basically, Hilda you are part of a religion that has never managed to get a single thing right. Not only that, its teachings are or have been downright insane. It's really funny watching you use big words to explain why a religion that banned Aluminum pans, considered vaccinations to be from the Devil and had a machine for curing diseases that involved screwing up bits of paper and sticking them in it, actually does speak for God - but in an entirely misapprehensive way.:
The wt has got the trinity, hellfire, sex issues evolution right. they also know God and his name. So there.
