Posts by lloydevansparody

Were they going to ask her about the nature of their relationship and what led her upon this path? Were they going to ask what she knew and what part she played in their escape from the UK?

They certainly would have. Lloyd must have assumed that Dijana was the weakest ring of the chain.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Dijana wanted to wait until after she had Jessica to start to fade. She didn’t want to DA however what Lloyd wants, lloyd gets.

If Dijana would have stayed in then the elders investigation would have never stopped. They would have asked Dijana what she knew about assuming that there was something "more concerning" than apostasy to be investigated.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Even then she never said the words “I resign” as he did and left it ambiguous enough for the elders to question the intent.

I wonder if Dijana falls under the "JW mindset" category based on Tibor's law

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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My father was an elder and that’s about how close I ever got to it but correct me if I am wrong, elders don’t divulge that kind of information, especially something as huge as a Branch Rep coming down to see him from Zagreb.

You are right here.

Maybe other former elders can share their perspective too based on their experience but from what I know and remember when someone moves to another congregation and the person is under discipline the elders from the original congregation write a letter to the elder of the new one to inform them that XY and family are moving there. They simply mention that XY is under restrictions but they DO NOT tell you why. I believe things may be slightly different now for cases of paedophilia. But generally especially for porneia they won't tell. This is crucial.

The elders in Croatia couldn't possibly know what had happened in the UK unless

a) He mentioned it to them

b) someone had tipped them off

Perhaps Dijana told her parents who then told the elders. We do not know. But even if this really happened I struggle to see how the elders would be so worried for a simple case of watching porn or online sexting with girls. I mean they had a big fish there. An apostate maybe the first of its kind in a Croatian village. It would be a fab opportunity for an elder to put this on their "CV'. Who would care about the porn wanking when they had their local R Franz.

But then again he mentions in his masterpiece that one elder was concerned about things happened in the UK. How? Were they only rumors? If so they had no proof so they would have been meaningless in a JC.

That's why I say his story about the JC does not make sense at all. There are gargantuan holes in this story.

The only way for him to stop this Pandora's Box to be fully opened was to handle in the letter of disassociation. Pay also attention how he wanted badly Dijana out too. Why this rush? In the end one week or two what difference would have made? He went bonkers when they weren't so keen. Then another silly mistake from the elders (apparently). They phoned Dijana if I remember correctly. This would never happen. If they really did that then it would be a massive unorthodox procedure. So much for a Bethel rep to be there.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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But they had to have known a DA was coming. He had already influenced the young local pioneer sister to go inactive. He had an apostate website up and had outted himself publicly. They weren't stupid. There was no chance he'd be willing to listen to their counsel and repent.

I get that. But still the procedure for the 2 admonitions would apply. I am sorry but again the elders couldn't deploy a JC without speaking with him first. I mean what sort of elders would go against the official procedure knowing that a "Bethel rep" would be there? Who would?

Possible that they tried to contact him but he always refuted to meet until it was no longer possible and a DA was on the plate. But he never mentions this

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Excellent work LMsA

Yes the all JC story does not make any sense. We know that apostasy trials require certain pre conditions. One individual cannot be disfellowshipped for apostasy in a single JC. Apostasy trials are very complex and in any case the individual must get the chance to change their mind. These steps are missing in LE's story. The idea that Tom had more important concerns about Lloyd's behaviour in the UK has always baffled me. Why? I mean if he was being trialled for apostasy why bother with the stuff he did in the UK. Porn? Online sex chats? I laugh.

Let's assume for a moment that he was being judged for two sins: apostasy and porneia. As an example. What sin the elder would prioritise over? Apostasy or porneia? If the JC has less experienced elders within, then these men could decide to give emphasis on the porneia bit. It is simple, easy to deal with and most common. Apostasy is far too complex. The elders must take days or weeks to prepare. I attended one once with 13 elders. Some would ask the CO for advice. In any case they know that the JC would not be able to deliberate immediately. Some elders are shockingly too unprepared to be able to deal with apostasy. Would a Bethel rep be a necessity? Not in the slightest. Perhaps a CO or a DO (at that time they were still in force) but a Bethel rep never. There are English speaking congregations in Croatia I am certain they would be the first choice in case of a language barrier.

No I am certain mr Evans wasn't disfellowshipped for apostasy. His story does not make any sense. Perhaps he could have eventually after the 1st and 2nd admonition but that day there was another sin on the plate, a sin Tom was really concerned about even more concerned than the apostasy (if ever).

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