Posts by stuffwotifink

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

It seems to me that in the scrabble to get believers to define their gods - atheists often make claims like "The evidence against "god" is overwhelmingly strong", without ever defining the god which they are themselves talking about.
If it's good for the goose... No?

So many arguments against the proposition of a god hinge upon the rather easy bait of the biblical model. A child can (many have) poke holes in that model. But then the claims of defeat are leveled at the very notion of god itself.

There is not and can not be, evidence in the material universe for an immaterial thing, ffs (even if we start by granting the existence of said immaterial thing, which, for the record, I don't). Only inference. Asking for it seems naive to the subject matter at hand.

"god" is not synonymous with "Jebus" or "Yahweh".

Also - the fact that a god doesn't intercede or make itself known, means nothing unless one has a reason to believe such a being would do so.
Perhaps it's best to leave speculating about what a god should or shouldn't do, to believers... Jus sayin.
Why anyone has reason to expect anything about the behaviour of a thing they don't believe in, I can't begin to imagine.

Any god not defined in a way that's at once both servile to man - yet omnieverybloodything, perfect and universal - yet comprehensible by the minds of mankind, is dismissed as "meaningless" or "pointless".
Makes me laugh with my face.

Even if there was a creator, so what? Where do you go from there? What is your next option? Choose who's concept of a creator is correct? More supposition? Are you going to worship it? Why would you? If it's real it clearly wants nothing to do with this planet. So again, WHAT IS THE POINT?

Yes. A million times yes. You are now my god. I shall defend your existence upon this forum!

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

God never acknowledges the existence of atheists in the bible. He only says, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."

Nor does he acknowledge the platypus. They're fakin' it too I suppose, just a duck in a brown coat?

Anyway - I believe that you will find the very psalm you are quoting is talking about atheists.
It doesn't say "The fool has lied loudly with his mouth, saying there is no God", but rather "(he) has said in his heart".
Sounds to me like "the fool" in this verse truly believes there is no god... Or do you "say things in your heart" that you think are false? I don't.
Someone who truly believes "there is no God", is an atheist, no?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

I don't doubt that you have good reasons for - and justifications of - those beliefs.

I share them with you.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

All knowledge is belief - justified or no. Call it whatever you like. There is only what seems to be true to you.

Claiming anything beyong that is daft. Perhaps not arrogant, that'd speak to a person's motivations, but over reaching imo.
Induction is hardly reliable [hence, the Problem of], there may be no facts not relative to something outside of our experience as a collective.

Hard Agnosticism is hardly "intellectually lazy", dismissing the position as such however, is.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

From your OP it's clear you mean the god of the bible. No, not even a remote chance, imo. Not a fart in a hurricane.

I don't know enough about any other gods postulated to come to a firm conclusion, though I doubt their existence. Silence can be deafening.

As for the source of the material universe being an immaterial mind...
Fuq if I know. I can imagine less likely things. Eat some shrooms and the idea of a god is banal and unimaginative, at best.

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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!

by iconoclastic in

many seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.

when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.

this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.

stuffwotifink

One can easily prove kingdom of God is within himself/herself.

Sweet.
Go right ahead...

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Lurker trying to gain clarity

by questioningmyfaith in

jw
friends

hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

i am not negative towards the wt at all.

so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

stuffwotifink

In your OP you said

I only mention this because I don't plan on engaging with anyone that just wants to talk bad about the people

and

I have already accepted that the WT is wrong about a lot of stuff. It doesn't bother me too much to be honest. I am more concerned with whether or not I believe in god.

But then you only respond about the WT and you ignore any of the numerous people who actually engaged with your 2 queries.

I'm not saying that this makes you a dishonest and snake tongued WT apologist.
It just makes you look like one.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

stuffwotifink

When used skilfully, however, it's really handy for getting morons to STFU.

Sure, that'll do it. I just agree with whatever the hell they are saying, straight faced, in the most oily way I can. Works a treat for ending the interaction.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

stuffwotifink

There may not be a "Why" in the sense that you are using the word OP.
Mankind does not know.
Nobody claiming that there is a "Why", has ever been able to elucidate to the rest of the world a "Why" that's sufficient, never mind come up with one that's also necessary.

Unless you can show a good reason for believing there even is a "Why" to be puzzled over - what is the purpose in doing so? It may well be akin to asking how many corners a circle has.

I've never understood why people are impressed when asked a question they can't answer. It is hardly a mark of the question's merit...

"What has it got in its nasty little pocketses?"

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Parrots Turn Carnivores.....Media Article ..Sure to get J.W.`s all excited .

by smiddy in

the first part was a heading in the herald sun newspaper tues.sep.15 ,2015 melbourne victoria .. , lorikeets and other parrots are becoming meat eaters---and researchers want to know why.. griffith university professor darryl jones has heard the herbivorous bird was eating mince left out by bird feeders in brisbane (australia ) "in two weeks i had about 500 emails from across the country all saying lorikeets were eating meat" he said.. that will surely get the faithful thinking the big "a" is almost upon us.. in the 1960`s i was told that buzzards and other carnivorous birds were laying twice as many eggs than was normal proving the big "a' was almost here.. here we go again.

smiddy.

stuffwotifink

You just reminded me of a number of "seriousface" conversations I had with dubz about how the seagulls that come into cities because of the dumps - are a bird which will eat carrion! "GASP!" And that totally counts and stuff... right?

The stupidity of it would make me blush if I had any shame left.
"Look, a seagull, that must mean it's The Truth."
Grasping after straws.