Posts by stuffwotifink

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

As I was saying about apparent design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP2Fd3IqBdw

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

So, does anyone have anything Viviane values to say?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Perhaps you think it bothers me in some way, that you are so dishonest and arrogant?
So unable to support any of your own claims?

I can assure you, it does not.
Not a smidge.
Your ilk is hardly uncommon online.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

As expected.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

Attempting a Gish Gallop

When, where. A lengthy explanation (or multiple comments to different people) is not a gish gallop. Fuqs sake?

Attempting to deny reality

I did that when? Example?

Not bothering to understand the discussion

Please demonstrate my misunderstanding and offer correction.

Pretending to understand logical fallacies

Please point out where I accused someone of one and was wrong. Or simply put up a pretense of understanding?

Accusing people of things while being wrong

Example of my accusation and explanation as to why I was wrong in making it?

will get you dismissed as irrelevant.

Well now. I never complained that I was dismissed as irrelevant, did I? Read more carefully.

Attempting to be clever with more clever and smarter people than you

lolz
Grow up.

Please demonstrate that your claims about my behaviour are not empty.
I'll wait...

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

Really? Ok.

I have been thoroughly put in my place by the careful and thoughtful responses from you two delightful and wise human beings. You clearly showed how I don't understand philosophy (oh, the wasted years, poor me), by demonstrating your own extensive understanding of... Oh, wait...

Damn, I better go and learn how to think like you do, before I die from all the stupid inside my head.

Why do you consider reality to be an insult?

I dunno. Why do you consider your opinion to be reality?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

Yay, more insults.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

So you were commenting because of something he said yesterday?
And you speak of relevance?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

It is a cop-out. "some stuff is really complex so there must be some unknown god". Yawn...

That is neither stated nor implied in my comment.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

stuffwotifink

freemindfade

RE a definition: [Please remember, I don't believe in a god. But I think can speak on what you were asking, a little.]

The "god" that most people I have spoken to, seem to be speaking about when they discribe their often ill defined god concept, is obviously similar to the god of the gaps.
But these people are "Finding god in what they know, not what they don't know", to paraphrase Dietrich Bonhoeffer's famous objection to the god of the gaps. (Before I'm accused of describing that god.)
They may well be wrong, but it is still not the same as the god of the gaps, it's the very opposite.

It is abductive reasoning.
"Stuff looks designed, a designer explains this best".

Most deists don't go beyond that. (The rest is "who knows")
Oh, sure, an educated deist can wax lyrical about where they see design in biology or whatever. But the argument is pretty much "Stuff looks designed", however complex the phrasing gets.

And that is not stupid or steeped in fable.
One need only look at the fields of teleology and teleonomy.
Even the staunchest of materialist atheists in biology uses the terms "apparent design" and "apparent purpose" [or variations thereof].

It is simply a matter of opinion as to if there is the appearance of design because of a designer, or if the appearance is no more than an illusion due to human psychology.
Apophenia? Maybe, damned if I know.

Hence my confusion when some deists are scorned and mocked alongside those with bloated theologies and reduced gods. Not everyone believes because of some desperate scrabble for hope - some people just think there is a "god/maker" of some kind and make no further claims, as they are not pretending to know anything about the "maker/god" they think they have abduced from looking at the things that seem "made" to them.
This is perfectly logical abductive reasoning. However bad people think the conclusion it draws.
It's "inference to the best explanation", people just differ on what that "best explanation" for "apparent design" is.

If it doesn't seem like a strong argument, that's because it doesn't try to be an argument at all. It is simply a statement of belief and it seems a shame to lump these people in with biblethumping fuqtards, simply because they are honest enough to express what they think.

Jmo.
[Btw, you seem like a theological noncognitivist. If so, it seems odd to ask people to define something you don't think can be defined. If you are not a theological noncognitivist, feel free to ignore that remark. It was simply an impression I got from your previous posts, I'm in no way pinning the tag on you.]