Posts by Ucantnome

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

i just wanted to add something to my earlier posts regarding responsibility for our actions.

Eve, i was brought up to believe was perfect, I'm not and I don't think that the devil threatened her in anyway he tempted her. When i was brought up as a witness I was brought up to believe that going against or talking against the Watchtower was the same as talking against God. This was from an early age. In the what we referred to as the 'Look' booklet which I quoted from (Watchtower publication that I found on the website mentioned) that i believe was the first publication studied with my mother, it says

'Your safety and the whole future of yourself and your family depend on now studying the Bible, associating with the New World society of Jehovah's witnesses, dedicating yourself to your Creator, Jehovah God, and witnessing for him. (bold mine)

the Watchtower January 15th 1983 page 27 under the subheading "Fight Against Independent Thinking" it says.

"If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves "Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization?" No, we cannot!"

and I found this thread relating I believe a drama.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/92380/1/Heres-the-script-for-the-Korah-Dathan-Abiram-drama#.U7TqbpRdV8E

To have this instilled in you from an early age makes it difficult to see clearly what you should do when confronted with things that you may find not to your liking or that you follow what your told.

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How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?

by LostGeneration in

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i continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.

how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.

i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.

Ucantnome

at one point my brother decided to apply for bethel. i was about 14. i almost threw up. bethel, being a servant, elder, meetings assemblies, weren't really me. my days aren't particularly planned. i change my mind as i drive down the road as to where i'm going. my father's life was very regimented and he liked the truth and thought everyone should go to bethel or in the army. so because i didn't quite fit in it's hard to tell when i learned the truth about the truth depending on the definition of truth or about.

however i always considered myself a good witness

not long. Watchtower came out in winter of 94 elders came in the summer and i was down to one meeting a month within six months and no meetings in 12. elders revisited.

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Your thoughts on demons, ghosts and spirits

by Crazyguy in

as a jw were taught all about demons but i never had an incident.

my wife believes wholeheartedly says her family including her has had problems with them.

i have met people that even non religious people that say they have experienced a ghost or a spirit.

Ucantnome

we had some problems many years ago for several months

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

I think you could be right, I hope so. I don't hate the witnesses. I have some who i'm friends with. I think some maybe better off staying as witnesses. They still come to my door. I've discussed many things with them over the years since I left and i returned for a while.

I think actually coming here has helped me validate how i feel. As it has made me look things up and think about them.

Thanks Old Goat for your thoughts

(in my post 1322 it should say, 20 years later i stopped the preaching)

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

I'm not cross with you Old Goat I'm more cross with myself if i'm honest.

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

Old Goat i never said that i don't take responsibility for what i believed and what i done. However it took years to figure it out. When i figured it out I left.

I still don't like people telling me things as if they know something and i need to hear it.

The claims that were made took time to see if they came true. I lived through 1975 we didn't leave. 20 years I stopped the preaching as i could no longer support 1914 due to the Watchtower. Not enough to be a witness about the events that were said to have taken place. As I could no longer witness i was no longer a witness. This was 20 years ago.

If i had left prior to this it would have been premature.

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

They took a very high position as the mouthpiece of God. Do you want to disregard what God is telling you through his mouthpiece old Goat? We were to have faith in what we preached.

I understand that faith is the assurance of the things hoped for. I also understand that it's impossible to please God without it.

My father talks in glowing terms of the anointed that studied with him how well he knew his bible but he was also as the anointed responsible for what was taught, things like the blood teaching, disfellowshipping, and the Good News that was preached. I didn't feel quite the same as my father.

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

Old Goat we are talking about witnesses and being a witness and why and they do believe the bible.

I was raised as one they told me they were commissioned by God in 1919 as a modern day Ezekiel I was happy to be baptised at 12/13. in the book that we studied at the bookstudy about the time of my baptism it says the battle in the day of Jehovah would begin within the twentieth century which i understood this to mean the great tribulation. We had the generation that would not pass away. I think if your commissioned as Ezekiel was to do a special work you can't get new light when it doesn't occur without looking like a false prophet.

Then we have 1975.

This is from the booklet that my parents studied when they came into the truth

Your safety and the whole future of yourself and your family depend on now studying the Bible, associating with the New World society of Jehovah's witnesses, dedicating yourself to your Creator, Jehovah God, and witnessing for him. Look! I am making all things new. (www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/booklets/look)

we could discuss what we were witnessing about.

God said the serpent would be crushed in the head so although Eve was punished God seemed to be cross with the serpent.

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Ucantnome

Old Goat i agree that we are responsible for ourselves but i think we can be misled and feel annoyed with those we feel misled us.

I think eve was misled.

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Just came across this jw comment on the interweb, what do you think?

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

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we are up for a new kind of persecution in the future.

a new form that was unheard of for us.

in australia, disfellowshipped and dissasociated are planning on suing jw for emotional and mental hardship for being cast out completely.

Ucantnome

i'd been to the hall enough without going there on our wedding day