Posts by Ucantnome

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

baft is 'your world' a christian view? Just wondering.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

sunny 23

I think some here are implying that forgiveness must always include a suspension of accountability and justice.

The 'some here' i'm wondering if you are including me.

My post was in answer to how I see the word forgive/forgiveness.

In Mark 2 they said only God can forgive sins and Romans 13:4 says that governments 'are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.' (NIV)

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How strong were you in “The Truth?”

by John Aquila in

when you were still asleep in the watchtower organization and had no idea of ttatt.

what would you have done if you were in a serious accident and all of a sudden you woke up in the emergency hospital room with all the brothers and sisters at your side and your spouse cheering you on to be faithful to jehovah.

then the doctor comes up to you and tells you that you are about to go into surgery because there is no time to lose and the only way to live is to take a blood transfusion ?

Ucantnome

We had a couple of times where we had to make a choice regarding blood. We didn't have it.

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Is there a difference between being pardoned or acquitted

by Ucantnome in

in the new world translation of the holy scriptures (revised 2013) at romans 6:7 it uses the word 'acquitted'.

in the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures (1985) it also has 'acquitted' and in the greek word for english word translation part in has 'has been justified' .

the insight on the scriptures (1988) under the heading declare righteous page 803 talking about the original greek words that are translated as justify and justification and can be translated as declared righteous and pronounce righteous it says,.

Ucantnome

Thanks for your comments helps me get a clearer understanding.

When I was leaving the Witnesses I discussed this scripture with someone along with Armageddon and judgement. I looked it up in the only other bible that I had in the house The Living Bible and it says this'

Romans 6:6-8

Your old evil desires were nailed to the cross with him; that part of you that loves to sin was crushed and fatally wounded, so that your sin-loving body is no longer under sin's control, no longer needs to be a slave to sin; for when you are deadened to sin you are freed from all its allure and its power over you. And since your old sin-loving nature "died" with Christ, we know that you will share his new life.

Then I got out my Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures and found the word justified, I then felt that this was a better way of understanding it.

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Charity

by aintenoughwiskey in

jw
friends

we know the wt interpretation of matt 25:40 is support of the anointed.

since most of us here are no longer in that situation, what, if any forms of charity are you involved in?

sorry for the awkward framing of the question, it's not meant to imply atheists, or non-christians are not charitable!

Ucantnome

I have cut an ad out of the newspaper about the donkeys and hope to send a donation soon.

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Is there a difference between being pardoned or acquitted

by Ucantnome in

in the new world translation of the holy scriptures (revised 2013) at romans 6:7 it uses the word 'acquitted'.

in the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures (1985) it also has 'acquitted' and in the greek word for english word translation part in has 'has been justified' .

the insight on the scriptures (1988) under the heading declare righteous page 803 talking about the original greek words that are translated as justify and justification and can be translated as declared righteous and pronounce righteous it says,.

Ucantnome

In the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (revised 2013) at Romans 6:7 it uses the word 'acquitted'. In the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (1985) it also has 'acquitted' and in the Greek word for English word translation part in has 'has been justified'

The Insight On The Scriptures (1988) under the heading Declare Righteous page 803 talking about the original Greek words that are translated as justify and justification and can be translated as declared righteous and pronounce righteous it says,

'...basically carry the idea of absolving or clearing of any charge, holding as guiltless and hence acquitting, or pronouncing and treating as righteous'

My understanding is that God forgives us on the legal basis of Christ sacrifice, we are acquitted, as if we never committed the sin. I see it different from being pardoned.

In the footnote of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (revised 2013) Romans 6:7 it says 'Or released of pardoned'

My question is, Am I wrong in thinking there is a difference between being acquitted and pardoned and as the Greek uses the word translated justified or in the English use of the words do they mean the same?

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

So if the court asked the relatives of the murder victims what should be done they would say let him go free would they?

Probably not but I don't know.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

I would be interested in your thoughts on what forgiveness means.

I have read the comments.

In my Vines Complete Expository Dictionary under the words Forgive,Forgave, Forgiveness page 251 it says

'Human "forgiveness" is to be strictly analogous to divine "forgiveness," e.g., Matt. 6:12. If certain conditions are fulfilled, there is no limitation to Christ's law of "forgiveness," Matt 18:21,22. The conditions are repentance and confession, Matt.18:15-17; Luke 17:3.'

I think then to forgive would be for the sin or debt to be completely cancelled as if it never happened.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

Cofty

yes I will try and read the comments later today.

The children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.

In the discussion I had with the theologian I explained that my reaction probably wouldn't have been like these children and I saw forgiveness tied very much to repentance. The theologian is a very bright man and i'm not so bright.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Ucantnome

Christians respond to events the way they are expected to react.

I didn't find this when a relative of mine died. There was a variety of responses to the death. I was closer to the person than most of the other relatives. My brother and I are both Christian and it affected my brother a lot more than myself. I didn't feel expected to react in a certain way.

I had a discussion with a theologian a while ago regarding forgiving and found my view was different than his. Maybe this was just that I was wrong or maybe it was because I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. I found it difficult to be forgiving of someone who doesn't want my forgiveness. I felt I should accommodate their wishes.