Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

What is the "sign" of "Christ's Invisible Presence?"

by Fisherman in

the wts teaches, that from 1914 onward, a sign has been evident, which is proof of god's kingdom.

jw profess to see that sign.

a "sign" means evidence from god.

Ucantnome

What gets presented or said from god's channel must be true, honest and valuable.
maybe it's sort of like Schrodinger's cat

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What is the "sign" of "Christ's Invisible Presence?"

by Fisherman in

the wts teaches, that from 1914 onward, a sign has been evident, which is proof of god's kingdom.

jw profess to see that sign.

a "sign" means evidence from god.

I spoke to an elder a short while ago regarding the preaching, been an elder for many years, and he felt that if 1914 was changed it wouldn't matter. I disagreed. This was in regard to 20 years difference.

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A Tired Child is Better than a Dead Child

by snugglebunny in

incredibly, fred franz once announced at a district convention: "yesterday a sister approached me and said, brother franz, why do we have to keep our children up so late just so they can attend the meetings?

i responded sister ***, would you rather have a tired child or a dead child?".

*cue rapturous applause*.

Ucantnome

we had to walk home after the thursday night meeting in the early sixties came home to a cold house no central heating

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A Tired Child is Better than a Dead Child

by snugglebunny in

incredibly, fred franz once announced at a district convention: "yesterday a sister approached me and said, brother franz, why do we have to keep our children up so late just so they can attend the meetings?

i responded sister ***, would you rather have a tired child or a dead child?".

*cue rapturous applause*.

Ucantnome

i remember being like the kid on the floor

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What is the "sign" of "Christ's Invisible Presence?"

by Fisherman in

the wts teaches, that from 1914 onward, a sign has been evident, which is proof of god's kingdom.

jw profess to see that sign.

a "sign" means evidence from god.

Ucantnome

When I was baptised I understood the 'sign' as

'the act of God's Son in receiving authority from his Sovereign Father to rule in an everlasting kingdom. This event brought the establishment or "birth of his kingly rule.

...This visible sign follows after and results from the invisible "sign of the Son of man," since it is composed of the many events and conditions that the Bible fore told would follow and result from the establishment of Christ's Kingdom rule it is , therefore a composite sign...'(WT 1966 Jan 15 pg 38)

The sign being in verse 30 of Matthew 24.

In the book "Things In Which It Is Impossible For God To Lie" (WT 1965) page 339 in the footnote it mentions that the Greek word for 'sign' is the Greek Septuagint of the Hebrew scriptures is given the meaning of 'standard, signal, ensign.' (Isaiah 11:12) and 'The Bible translation by Dr. Ferrar Fenton uses the word "signal" in Matthew 24:3,30.'

The book Man's Salvation Out of World Distress At Hand! (WT 1975) subheading "A Signal For The Peoples" page 197 after quoting Isaiah 11:10 it says, It is "in that day," since the Gentile times ended in 1914 C.E that this must occur.

page 198

However, the prophecy applies more particularly "in that day." We have been in that day since the birth of God's Messianic kingdom in the heavens in 1914 C.E. Then the glorified Jesus Christ, "the root of Jesse," stood up in Kingdom authority to deal with all the nations of the earth. (Matthew 25;31,32)

Fisherman your questions

What is the "sign" of "Christ's Invisible Presence?"

Have you seen "the sign" that the WTS refers to as the sign that people refuse to see and will be forced to see when the "son of man is revealed?"

I agreed at my baptism with the Watchtower in 1966 when it said

'There is one sign today that is of the highest importance to every person on earth. For us to see it, to understand it correctly and to act in accord with it promptly will spell the difference between life and death for each of us.'

and i was one who was part of 'over a million persons in all parts of the globe today acknowledge that they have been enabled to "see" "the sign of the Son of Man" and recognize its meaning' (WT 1966)

However in the February 15th 1994 Watchtower page 20 it says,

'But Matthew 24:30 points forward to a further "sign" appearing in the future, that of "the Son of Man," and all nations will be compelled to take note.

In answer to your question I am unsure due to how i understand the changed view and can no longer support them in preaching.

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How the Watchtower Screws Up Your View of Scripture

by CalebInFloroda in

while i do not argue the stand of atheism (because as a jew i find it totally logical and acceptable), i have noticed that there are odd carryover preconceptions about scripture that some hold as axiomatic about the bible (at least the hebrew texts), misconceptions that have nothing to do with the jewish scriptures themselves.. so regardless of what you may think of scripture, whether you believe it is of g-d or not, i thought some of you might enjoy a reference to see how much the watchtower teaching on scripture might still be influencing the conclusions you are making today...at least about the tanakh.

jews read their texts acknowledging the following:.

1. no scriptural concept of original sin.

Ucantnome

But I don't believe that people should condemn others because of their beliefs or lack thereof.

thanks. i think that christians are born again and faith is the assured expectation of the things hoped for so it would seem to me difficult to separate the faith from the person i understand anti-theism to be active opposition to theism.

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The 1995 Generation Change

by sloppyjoe2 in

jw
friends

i was just a teenager and have a vivid memory of sitting in a chair doing a microphone for the sunday meeting.

everyone was commenting that it didn't mean the end was far off, and it didn't change the condition of the dead, or the 144,000, or the trinity so we should still remain faithful.

this is my first memory as a kid being just a teen that i ever had a single doubt.

Ucantnome

thanks finkelstein

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The 1995 Generation Change

by sloppyjoe2 in

jw
friends

i was just a teenager and have a vivid memory of sitting in a chair doing a microphone for the sunday meeting.

everyone was commenting that it didn't mean the end was far off, and it didn't change the condition of the dead, or the 144,000, or the trinity so we should still remain faithful.

this is my first memory as a kid being just a teen that i ever had a single doubt.

Ucantnome

of course from birth pioneered talks etc.

as a witness do you think you were an apostate 'If people would really pay close attention to what Jesus said about making a set time on God's own sacred time, they would realize that the Watchtower committed an act of Apostasy or acted as false prophets.'

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The 1995 Generation Change

by sloppyjoe2 in

jw
friends

i was just a teenager and have a vivid memory of sitting in a chair doing a microphone for the sunday meeting.

everyone was commenting that it didn't mean the end was far off, and it didn't change the condition of the dead, or the 144,000, or the trinity so we should still remain faithful.

this is my first memory as a kid being just a teen that i ever had a single doubt.

Ucantnome

If people would really pay close attention to what Jesus said about making a set time on God's own sacred time, they would realize that the Watchtower committed an act of Apostasy or acted as false prophets.

were you a witness?

Ucantnome

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