Posts by Ucantnome

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Was Jesus really a Jehovah`s Witness ? He never identified himself as such , in word or deed.

by smiddy in

also he never chastised the jews for not identifying themselves as jehovah`s witnesses following isaiah`s statement at ch.43 :10-12 , so many years before hand.. and he had ample opportunity to do so on numerous occasions .. jesus himself never used the divine name /jehovah or any other equivalent , in any of his sayings attributed to him by his contemporaries .. sure he acknowledged god as his father and that he did his fathers will , but he never acknowledged him by a personal name such as jehovah or anything like it.. and lets not forget acts 11:26 it was first in antioch that followers of jesus by divine providence were to be called christians , not jehovah`s witnesses,.

smiddy.

Ucantnome

Was Jesus really a Jehovah's Witness?

The way that I understand it is this

In Exodus 10:2

and that you may recount and explain in the hearing of your son, and your grandson, what I have done [repeatedly] to make a mockery of the Egyptians—My signs [of divine power] which I have done among them—so that you may know [without any doubt] and recognize [clearly] that I am the Lord.”(AMP)

This sounds like they were to act as witnesses to their offspring of the birth of the nation and as his chosen people.

But now, this is what the Lord, your Creator says, O Jacob,
And He who formed you, O Israel,
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you [from captivity];
I have called you by name; you are Mine!
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“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they will not overwhelm you.
When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched,
Nor will the flame burn you.(AMP)

www.biblegateway.com

And I understand that Jesus was born into the nation.

I understand the ‘You are my witnesses’ in Isaiah 43 was after Jehovah had issued a challenge

Let all the nations assemble in one place, And let the peoples be gathered together. Who among them can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear the first things? Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right, Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’ (www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/43)

It would seem similar to me with JW today as they have witnessed the birth of the nation in 1914 I believe and I understand I should be able to hear their message and say it is the truth but I could be wrong.

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'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

by EdenOne in

can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

Ucantnome

Babylon book I believe says it was in 1920 they discerned the good news of God's kingdom as established in the heavens in 1914 (A.D.) was to be preached in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. and quotes the July 1st 1920 Watchtower

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Confusing Opinions with Facts

by cofty in

in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

people deserve respect, errors do not..

Ucantnome

As jwfacts just repeated for the millionth time on this forum, evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

when I type it in to Google it comes up

abiogenesis

ˌeɪbʌɪə(ʊ)ˈdʒɛnɪsɪs/

noun

noun: abiogenesis

the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.

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Embracing, Not Running From, My Repressive JW Heritage, Finding A Few Things Worth Salvaging

by TMS in

yes, we could have been born in an alley in calcutta or with the physical deformities associated with thalidomide.

instead, we were born into or introduced to a repressive, american, religious cult, that shielded us from the warmongering game of chess, the militaristic boy scouts, fornication-inducing sock hops, the twist, as well as the hokey pokey.

we heeded the warnings, avoiding the greedy self-worship associated with masturbation, decadent rock 'n roll and anything preceded by the word "extra-curricular.".

Ucantnome

have you ever considered full-time service?

yes.

the theocratic ministry school wasn't something i would ever have joined had i not felt threatened and i never saw any benefit to me or those i listened to in my opinion.

we had a discussion once with my parents as to weather it was them or the truth as to why we turned out fine. my father felt it was him.

i suppose im trying to think of a benefit. maybe i wouldn't have been a christian but maybe i would

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Embracing, Not Running From, My Repressive JW Heritage, Finding A Few Things Worth Salvaging

by TMS in

yes, we could have been born in an alley in calcutta or with the physical deformities associated with thalidomide.

instead, we were born into or introduced to a repressive, american, religious cult, that shielded us from the warmongering game of chess, the militaristic boy scouts, fornication-inducing sock hops, the twist, as well as the hokey pokey.

we heeded the warnings, avoiding the greedy self-worship associated with masturbation, decadent rock 'n roll and anything preceded by the word "extra-curricular.".

Ucantnome

I'm quite good at finding scriptures in the NWT and handing out leaflets

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Embracing, Not Running From, My Repressive JW Heritage, Finding A Few Things Worth Salvaging

by TMS in

yes, we could have been born in an alley in calcutta or with the physical deformities associated with thalidomide.

instead, we were born into or introduced to a repressive, american, religious cult, that shielded us from the warmongering game of chess, the militaristic boy scouts, fornication-inducing sock hops, the twist, as well as the hokey pokey.

we heeded the warnings, avoiding the greedy self-worship associated with masturbation, decadent rock 'n roll and anything preceded by the word "extra-curricular.".

Ucantnome

All of us acquired an undeniable skill set we need not unlearn

I didn't

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Ucantnome

not blame the wt because he hasn't.

It's not blame. I'm being asked if I want salvation to join them in their preaching/witnessing and to do that I must have faith in their message surely this principle in Romans would apply to spiritual food.

23 But he who is uncertain [about eating a particular thing] is condemned if he eats, because he is not acting from faith. (Romans 14 AMP www.biblegateway.com)

My mother got the truth/the good news first. In the 60's she shared it with her Catholic sister. The generation teaching how she would never grow old and die and later arguments about 1975 and the end of six thousand years. When my aunt phones me which she does regularly and the conversation moves to the her age and how close she is to death do you think I'm going to try sharing the latest idea of an overlapping generation? lol.

In the 1970's they had the book on Ezekiel and showed how exact Ezekiel's prophecy was and how Jerusalem's destruction on time proved he was a true prophet. They said that he acted as a sign of them. They then have that Jehovah would act by the end of the twentieth century. This did not occur.

But you say 'Can you imagine the humiliation and defeat if wt looses?' But there was no humiliation and defeat, they just move on with a new understanding.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Ucantnome

Timing? My father ran out of time after he was told by the people who were acting as witnesses that it was impossible for him to do so. They were backed by God acting as his mouthpiece or am I wrong?

the funny thing is his salvation depend on his preaching this to others. Not his acceptance of the apostles good news

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Ucantnome

Fisherman you say what God promises. As the Watchtower has been wrong. Why are they correct on the Trinity could this also be changed as they are not inspired?

when my father was called on the message was also a judgement message based on Revelation and the angel in midheaven. Part of the message my father received was wrong. What about the other part?

when the last elder witness came to my door with the same message. As witnesses and I question him on 1914 he says it doesn't matter if it was 1914 however he is really standing there as a witness with a judgement message against members if my family that would ably disagree with him about the trinity

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What's your favourite feel good movie ?

by jhine in

maybe it's time for a less serious thread .

i have just finished watching dirty dancing ( again ) .

what is your feel good movie , the one that makes you smile and cry happy tears ?

Ucantnome

Brave