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  Can you live with your self?

  by The Rebel in

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  i think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment.

  because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right.

  the problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking.

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  Ucantnome

  I lived on my own for a while. I had some rooms in an otherwise empty house. No phone and fairly isolated.
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  OK who threw the stink bomb in here?

  by Thisismein1972 in

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  come on a believer, everyone knows it was you so own up to it and teacher will not be cross!.

  this is exactly what seems to be happening, a believer runs in drops the stink bomb and runs out again...only to pear around the door when he/she deems it safe to do so.

  😅😅😅.

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  Ucantnome

  "Regarding the 1975 thread my stance is that while many were expecting it, it was never said to be a definite thing or was it said that Jehovah told them it would be that year."

  
  A Believer I understood that they were commissioned to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah as a modern-day Ezekiel, 'commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah' ( The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah-How, Watchtower 1971 pg.58,59,61,62)

  So I understood that what they said came from Jehovah as they were commissioned in 1919 as the mouthpiece.

  So when they said in 1974 that the evening of the seventh creative day began in 4026 BCE and the halfway point of the seventh creative day 3500 years later was 526 BCE and that Armageddon would precede the last thousand years of the 7th creative day Christ's reign when the devil will be abyssed. (God's Eternal Purpose Now Triumphing For Man's Good, Watchtower 1974 pg.51,131,132,186,189) I understood that I was listening to a prophet speaking in the name of Jehovah, his mouthpiece and I acted upon what I heard.

  If you do the math I believe for this to be correct the only time that Armageddon could occur would be between the release of the book in the summer of 1974 and the autumn of 1975.

  This book was offered in the field service, studied at the group study and some talks given on a Sunday were based upon it I believe and so I ate the spiritual food. This was some years after the 1968 publication where it mentioned 1975 and was the most up to date spiritual food. Now the dates look a bit off?
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  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Ucantnome

  I may be wrong but I think that Matthew 18:18 is applied to disfellowshipping and it is sort of past tense they are only carrying out what has already been bound in heaven and so it would seem to me to make their decisions infallible say on blood transfusions.
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  Successes you enjoyed since leaving the Org

  by Tallon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  thought i would start a discussion, and hopefully a positive one, on what successes you’ve enjoyed since leaving the org.. each of us is different as people, in life experiences etc.

  however we all share one common factor in that we have all experienced the negativity, to a greater or lesser degree, of being a jw and the org.. each success is worth celebrating so i invite you to share some of your achievements.

  it does not matter how ‘big or small’ it is, share it with us.. my achievement means a great deal to me both personally and professionally.

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  Ucantnome

  my kids got a better education than I did.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Ucantnome

  what do you mean? maybe you are right.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Ucantnome

  jwstudy

  If you say "JW are not based on the teaching of Jesus Christ because Jesus never teach 1914 and ..".

  The same is true of "Catholic are not Christian because Jesus never teach purgatory ...".

  I think the difference to me is that the teaching about 1914 is the good news that is being declared in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14 and tied to Romans 10:16,17 and therefore the servant in Isaiah 52/53 as was the good news declared by the apostle Paul whereas I don't think that purgatory is (I could be wrong). As a christian I think our faith and salvation is tied to the good news and needs to be true.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Ucantnome

  Just explaining my comment made earlier in the thread.

  In my opinion, I think of the parable of the of the rich man and Lazarus. When we die could answer the question

  As a witness I thought that those who serve the triune God die and expect to go to heaven but our hope was that we would not die of old age but live on into the thousand year reign of Christ surviving Armageddon. Our sacred service to our God I thought was primarily the preaching of the 'Good News' (Matthew 24:14) In Hebrews 10:23 "Let us hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering," (NWT) For me and my parents that hope was that we would survive the great tribulation and Armageddon and live on into the righteous conditions after these events. I believe that the first Watchtower publication that my parents studied Look I am making all things new makes this clear see the thread Another generation... (Im not able to link to it)

  Our worship our sacred service in connection with God's eternal purpose would mean our salvation in judgement day. However my father lived his life as a Jehovah's Witness and died in his 80's longer than the national average I believe, he was active in the preaching and teaching and had served as an elder and pioneered at times. His older brother died at about the same time, he wasn't a witness. My understanding is that both of these have the hope of being included in the general resurrection. Which would lead one to conclude that my father's hope that he made and held 'fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering' was a false hope. Which in my opinion would then bring into question his sacred service, his worship of the one God and not the triune God. Which reminds me of 1 Corinthians 15:19 'If in this life only we have hoped in Christ we are of all men, most to be pitied' In the Watchtower publication "Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand" commenting on this verse on page 29 it says.

  "After all that we have gone through since 1914, our generation would be, of all generations the "most to be pitied".Think of it, though! Worthy ones of this generation of mankind will be saved alive out of the rest of this world distress so as to survive the worst of it and enter into God's Messianic new system of things and not need a resurrection from the dead to life on earth! This is a valid hope well founded on what was said by Jesus Christ..."

  When the apostle wrote this he was talking of the resurrection of Christ which was good news that he preached about and what it meant.

  So having the evidence in my life of my father's public declaration of his hope and how it turned out I would question his religion as being Christian in my opinion.

  However I agree that it is a matter of perspective.
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  Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

  the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

  one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

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  Ucantnome

  I think they teach to gain salvation you need to be preaching their message and be convinced of it.

  I would find it difficult to believe God require this as it doesn't appear to have been true in the past.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Ucantnome

  it could be that they don't see their sacred service leading to their salvation and as Christ is saviour it may lead to the thought they aren't Christian
  
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  If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

  i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

  .....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

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  Ucantnome

  I'm done talking to them I will shut the door