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  If someone asked you, 'Are you a righteous person'? What would be your answer?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
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  what would be your answer?

  are you are a righteous person?

  on a scale of 1-10, how righteous do you feel you are?.

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  Ucantnome

  in my King James bible in 1 Timothy 5:17 it says 'Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor'

  I start the day off feeling fairly righteous but when I say my prayers and go to bed I feel a lot less righteous
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  If someone asked you, 'Are you a righteous person'? What would be your answer?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would be your answer?

  are you are a righteous person?

  on a scale of 1-10, how righteous do you feel you are?.

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  Ucantnome

  This whole thing creates a very level playing field where no one has special merit or authority that can be legitimately used to create a hierarchy or a clergy class.

  Fernando doesn't Ephesians 4:11 mention that he gave some as teachers and shepherds suggest a clergy class?
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  POLL: Will You Be Attending The Memorial & If You Are---Why?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i was just invited.

  i thanked my old elder friend and he left.

  (i'm not going).

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  Ucantnome

  no. I don't mind going to the meetings but I wouldn't attend the memorial
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  Those of you that born in the Borg in the late 60;s and early 70's

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  was life that bad for you?

  we are really sorry...

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  Ucantnome

  I was eagerly looking forward to the 1969 assembly. We had heard of the new publications that would be released and I wanted to get them. I think the first part of the AID book was released then.

  why was the 70's the best for you?

  My parents were quite zealous through most of their lives as Witnesses. In the 60's especially the early sixties I was quite young and meetings and field service were hard my father was a strict man. In the worst winter my father still made it to the hall even though public transportation had stopped running and only one or two others made it. There was illness in the family as well that didn't help.

  In the 70's we had moved abroad we lived in a big house, I went to a good school and planned to drop out and pioneer which I did. The congregation was a nice one and I had some good times pioneering. The end was close or so we believed as my parents would remind us how lucky we were that we would never grow old and die, but they did. Just like the Generation that would not pass away and 1975 and Tribulation starting in 1914 which I think was changed after the 69 assembly.

  8 days, did you cover the whole bible word for word.

  I don't really remember it. I don't think I went to all of it.
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  Those of you that born in the Borg in the late 60;s and early 70's

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  was life that bad for you?

  we are really sorry...

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  Ucantnome

  I think 1963 was 8 day assembly. I remember 69 at Wembley
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  Those of you that born in the Borg in the late 60;s and early 70's

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  was life that bad for you?

  we are really sorry...

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  Ucantnome

  We were listening to some music this morning from the early 70's and it brought back memories of the congregations we were in at the time and the parties. The 70's were the best time in the truth for me. 60's especially the early 60's were the worst. Saturday and Sunday morning service and Sunday afternoon meetings that seemed to go on forever. Summer Assemblies always seemed cold.
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  Ucantnome

  They just don't think enough about how Watchtower leaders demand total obedience or else members are shunned.

  OnTheWayOut you quoted from my post and then posted the above. I had a close family member disfellowshipped and I met with the elders at various levels regarding it. There was discussion with elders as to how the disfellowshipped one was treated by the elders the person had become depressed and there was concern for their health. I spoke, within the last year, to a Jehovah's Witness who in the past had been disfellowshipped and how they were treated and the effect it had upon them. I knew the person well and at the time although a witness myself I would always say hello if I saw them. So I have thought quite a lot about it.

  You also posted this

  Why do some go back? There are some, like the one I quote above, who must feel that the Watchtower and it's leaders are the closest thing to "the truth" and just need some adjustments. They just don't consider enough how the Watchtower has NEVER EVER EVER been correct about any of their doctrine that are unique to them. NEVER!!!!!!!

  I left the Witnesses many years ago probably before you were an elder. I have considered what the Watchtower has said and taught over the years. I still have all of the publications that I had when I left and I often read them along with older publications that are found on the internet. No I don't feel that they are the closest thing to 'the truth' I have two theologians in my family and one of my children has a science degree and we have discussions.

  When I left the Witnesses I invited the elders to come and see me, they seemed reluctant and took 6 months to do it. They have never spoken to my wife although she was a Witness for many years and raised in the truth. I asked them if they wanted to disfellowship me, in full knowledge of what the disfellowshipping would mean as we had already had a family member disfellowshipped as I stated, they declined.

  At the time of the disfellowshipping of the family member who I mentioned and the problems that it caused I was asked by a friend, a Witness, if it would make me leave 'the truth'. I laughed. No, no way! The truth to me was centred on the Good News that we preached, the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom in 1914 and as it was the Good News I believed then, that could not be changed or called into question. Everything else, shunning, no blood, what elders did or didn't do made no difference. The anointed, I thought, were identified by their prophesying regarding the " ' magnificent things of God' about God's Kingdom since A.D. 1914, when the Gentile Times ("the appointed times of the nations") ended " ( WT 1960 page 594) They had the holy spirit I believed and so I was loyal. When the Good News that we preached, for me, became questionable I stopped. However as I have stated I could not foresee this occurring in anyway, due to my faith ('the assured expectation of things hoped for...' )in the Good News that I shared in preaching. Having had it occur. I find that I could not say with confidence that I would never be a Witness again in the future.
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  Ucantnome

  flipper

  what was the " good reason " you left the Witnesses ? I no longer felt convinced about the events associated with 1914 after reading a Watchtower. I thought my problems would be resolved in time, however they were not. I felt I could not join in with the preaching and my life needed to change somewhat. The changes meant less meetings. Although at first I had no intention of leaving, it soon became clear it was probably for the best.

  And if you left for a " good reason " what would make you return ? I think some on this site have commented that the Witnesses as a religion seem quite different now than some years ago. There has been changes I believe over the years. These changes may continue until it reaches a point that I may feel differently about the preaching work.

  When I first started to post on this site a few years ago I felt differently about the Witnesses than I do now, I was more anti witness. I have defined more clearly in my mind what I agree or disagree with and how far my conscience would allow me to return if I had the desire to return. My situation in life could change and I may feel that attending the hall could meet my needs at the time.
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  Ucantnome

  Personally I don't think I could return and be a " glutton for punishment " as the JW's I know would make me feel guilty for having been out for so long- Oh sure, I'd be love bombed once I got back in , but after that all the DEMANDS of being a JW and the guilt and fear would be re-indoctrinated into my mind. I couldn't put myself through that. I guess I cannot understand the reasons anybody would put themselves through that. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  When I returned I wouldn't say I was loved bombed. I also didn't feel any guilt for having been out for so long. I left for good reason and my return did not mean that I had changed my view. It was just something I needed to do at the time I felt very relaxed at the hall more so than when I was a witness. The actual going to the hall was never easy for me when I as a witness, although I believed and never thought the day would come when I was not a witness, it felt about the same going to the hall years later.

  As for the future I have no way of knowing what I will do or not do but as I have had the experience of being sure that I would not leave the witnesses and have, I wouldn't rule out a return under certain circumstances
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  Ucantnome

  I know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.

  How does this happen?

  The reasons people go back are varied I believe and no one can really know why a person returns but the person themselves. I returned at one point after having left for some time and may do again in the future for different reasons than I did the first time.