heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
SimonSays in the 1984 Watchtower October 1st page 24
*Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, "I made an ass of myself"
Evidently this was from Rutherford.
I can't see any benefit in taking the time reading how he managed to do this.
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
As I continually state: research for yourselves verses accepting what is written in joke facts.
SimonSays I'm not sure I understand what you mean here by' joke facts' could you give me an example?
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.
The Watchtower article that you mentioned which I've quoted above, SimonSays, quotes the apostle Pauls words we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us. and in your earlier post you said 'But just like everything else, those JW’s that were new or didn’t understand the premise took 1975 to mean the fulfillment of Christ presence and overstepped their expectations, by overshadowing what had been published earlier.'
By quoting from the book God's "Eternal Purpose" Now Triumphing For Man's Good published by the Watch tower 1974 in my post along with my other posts where I mentioned what elders (appointed men) said in the congregation that I attended and my own father's view who was also an elder and I a pioneer I hope I have shown why I believed that Armageddon would come by 1975 and it wasn't because we were new it was because of what we received as spiritual food from the slave.
In the Watchtower 1981 Feb15th on page 18 it asks the question
'How shall we view the spiritual food provided by this "faithful and discreet slave"? Should it be viewed critically-'Oh well, it might be true but then again it might not be and so we have to scrutinize it very critically'?'
page 19
If we have once established what instrument God is using as his "slave" to dispense spiritual food to his people, surely Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. We should have confidence in the channel God is using. At the Brooklyn headquarters from which the Bible publications of Jehovah's Witnesses emanate there are more mature Christian elders, both of the "remnant" and of the "other sheep" than anywhere else upon the earth.
Well SimonSays I had that confidence in 1975 and in the teaching regarding the generation but I no longer have that same confidence.
the world is full of wickedness.. the end is very near.. we must do more.. how thankful we are for the governing body.
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The world is full of wickedness.
The end is very near.
We must do more.
How thankful we are for the Governing Body.
I never found them that interesting
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
this is from my previous post
'In 1968 the belief was the tribulation had started in 1914 and had been cut short . The brother who brought my parents,in told them one day u will put the radio on and Armageddon will have started just like those roman armies that returned to Jerusalem in 70.'
I believe that this view was changed in 1970 and the Watchtower of January 15th had an article regarding it. On pages 52 it makes the comment that in the Watchtower of May 1st 1925 the suggestion was set out that the tribulation had begun in 1914 and God had stopped the World War 1 in November 1918 allowing an interval of activity of the anointed remnant for sheep like ones to be saved.
It mentions that at this time the bible timetable presented in the 1889 book The Time is at Hand was thought to be correct and it says 'Hence it was not calculated that six thousand years or man's life on earth were yet to end during the 1970's'
It further mentions that the interval between the first part of the tribulation is 51 years and not over if this view was correct.
On page 53 it says if the suggest for cutting short the great tribulation in the middle were true as suggested in 1925 then 'Then the time interval between the opening part of the "great tribulation' and the closing Armageddon part thereof will prove to be around five times as long as the length of the "great tribulation"
My mathematic skills are not particularly good but this 'will prove to be five times as long' is I think arrived at that 51 years had passed by since 1918 and the war was about 4 years and there was six years approx. to autumn of 1975 from this January Watchtower which would make ten years if Armageddon was to start soon, 5 times 10 is 50, about five times as long. Armageddon needing to be over by autumn 1975 so as not to encroach on the last 1000 years of Christ's reign.
Maybe not but the effect it had on my parents that although the belief had changed they still firmly believed that the end would come by the autumn of 1975. My father had a good job and was reasonably intelligent and had served as a servant and elder conducting the Watchtower study with pioneer children. In the year that this Watchtower change came about he made a decision to move and simplify his life somewhat which would enable him and us to do more in the 'truth' which we did. We didn't even have a television for some years. However if he had retained the house he sold then his estate would have been worth at least 4 times what it was when he died. His children lost out in a financial way but not just us as my children recently pointed out how it has and will effect them. This doesn't include the fact that I turned down a pension policy many years ago because I wouldn't be needing one due to the belief in the generation that will not pass away. I finished my education early due to the 1975 so as to pioneer. Not for my own personal gain. But I have also had to argue that it was due to the teachings of the Watchtower and not something I or my parents read into it that I made the decisions in my life. When I was leaving the JW and the elders came they clearly stated it was nothing to do with the Watchtower. Admittedly I could be wrong on some things.
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
In 1968 the belief was the tribulation had started in 1914 and had been cut short . The brother who brought my parents,in told them one day u will put the radio on and Armageddon will have started just like those roman armies that returned to Jerusalem in 70. So they were expecting a literal Armageddon which never came in there lifetme. Just like it didn't come in my great grandfathers day who lived at the time of Russel with his 1874
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
SimonSays in the quotes I put in my post from the book the Watchtower published in 1974 it said it Armageddon would be before the last thousand years of the 7000 year creative day and we had 6000 in 1975.
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975
Some?
This was the Year book published by the Watchtower who had taught about the 6000 years. Starting back in the 1800's. and they say brothers appreciated that they took responsibility for 'some' of the disappointment.
Maybe they spoke to the wrong brothers. lol.
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
But just like everything else, those JW’s that were new or didn’t understand the premise took 1975 to mean the fulfillment of Christ presence and overstepped their expectations, by overshadowing what had been published earlier.
this was from your earlier post SimonSays this is from the Watchtower that you mentioned of March 1980
In saying "anyone", the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.'
It includes all disappointed ones including those who published the material. Why would they be disappointed if it was only new ones who had overstepped their expectations?
heyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
SimonSays
Research the Watchtower March 15, 1980 pages 17-18 U.S. version
I have the Watchtower that you mention and it quotes the 1976 where it says
'...it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone", the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.'
I don't have the yearbook at hand.
I don't think it had anything to do with 'but that his own understanding' I didn't come up with the 6000 years I wasn't alive in 1886 when it was tied to 1874 or in the 1940's when it was moved to the 1970. I understood they were appointed to do a job
My salvation was tied i understood to supporting Christ brothers, doing good to them, the primary way was supporting them in the preaching work. They were the appointed commissioned ones and at the time of this Watchtower they were still teaching that the generation that saw the events of 1914 would not pass away and my salvation was tied to spreading this as it was in the front of the Awake.
