Posts by Ucantnome

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Are the witnesses really False prophets?

by MrTheocratic in

when you read the following statements from the wt.

organization... do they satisfy you?

or better stated...... should you be satisfied by there answers?.

Ucantnome

In the book the Nations Shall Know that I Am Jehovah-How? (WT 1971) It says page 56

'The fact that Jehovah appeared to Ezekiel in vision and spoke from his throne on his celestial chariot and directly sent Ezekiel on a definite mission with a definite message proves that Ezekiel was a true prophet, sent by God, and that what he spoke under inspiration was the real word of God.'

It also asks the questions in reference to Ezekiel 24:24

'Since Ezekiel himself was a "portent" or "sign" (AV) of someone to come, and since he was not a type or prophetic figure of Jesus Christ, whom did the prophet Ezekiel typify in carrying out his divine commission?'

and page 61

'Whom could the real "chariot" of Jehovah's organization roll up to and confront that He might bestow upon this qualified one the commission to speak as prophet in the name of Jehovah?'

The answer appears to be on page 66

'Jehovah has found and commissioned his modern day "Ezekiel." It is a composite Ezekiel. It is composed of those dedicated, baptized proclaimers of God's kingdom, who have been anointed with His spirit for their work.'

The book then tells you this was in 1919 that they were commissioned to speak in His name to all the nations and 'Thus, like Ezekiel, they became Jehovah's Witnesses'

Also with regard to a modern fulfilment of the prophecy in Joel 2. which I believe is mentioned in Acts 2 the Watchtower comments

'The dedicated believers had been anointed with holy spirit to prophesy and to preach.' (WT 1966 page 690)

I would think it was the anointed JW that were the prophets

Having said that I think that maybe by looking at the message/the good news that was preached it can help to understand why as you say,

'just amazes me that many Jdubs put complete trust in every word they read from this organization..and then proceed to make life altering decisions based off these "published ideas".'

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Are the witnesses really False prophets?

by MrTheocratic in

when you read the following statements from the wt.

organization... do they satisfy you?

or better stated...... should you be satisfied by there answers?.

Ucantnome

outlaw's post mentions the watchtower. Once my father had a discussion with another elder regarding who JW are. I believe he understood when he was baptised that JW were the anointed.

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Are the witnesses really False prophets?

by MrTheocratic in

when you read the following statements from the wt.

organization... do they satisfy you?

or better stated...... should you be satisfied by there answers?.

Ucantnome

Mr. Theocratic you say you are amazed by people putting trust in every word. I think this is faith.

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in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

Ucantnome

I didn't spend pages preaching I made a comment and you wanted more. I declined for good reason and you talked about moral cowardice and then insulted me

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Challenge to Creationists

by cofty in

in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

Ucantnome

I believe it is an insult that questioned my masculinity and had nothing to do with ridiculing belief

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Challenge to Creationists

by cofty in

in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

Ucantnome

I never insult anybody or ridicule them.

I think telling someone to 'grow a pair' is insulting and you have done that

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Was Jesus really a Jehovah`s Witness ? He never identified himself as such , in word or deed.

by smiddy in

also he never chastised the jews for not identifying themselves as jehovah`s witnesses following isaiah`s statement at ch.43 :10-12 , so many years before hand.. and he had ample opportunity to do so on numerous occasions .. jesus himself never used the divine name /jehovah or any other equivalent , in any of his sayings attributed to him by his contemporaries .. sure he acknowledged god as his father and that he did his fathers will , but he never acknowledged him by a personal name such as jehovah or anything like it.. and lets not forget acts 11:26 it was first in antioch that followers of jesus by divine providence were to be called christians , not jehovah`s witnesses,.

smiddy.

Ucantnome

Was Jesus really a Jehovah's Witness?

The way that I understand it is this

In Exodus 10:2

and that you may recount and explain in the hearing of your son, and your grandson, what I have done [repeatedly] to make a mockery of the Egyptians—My signs [of divine power] which I have done among them—so that you may know [without any doubt] and recognize [clearly] that I am the Lord.”(AMP)

This sounds like they were to act as witnesses to their offspring of the birth of the nation and as his chosen people.

But now, this is what the Lord, your Creator says, O Jacob,
And He who formed you, O Israel,
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you [from captivity];
I have called you by name; you are Mine!
2
“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they will not overwhelm you.
When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched,
Nor will the flame burn you.(AMP)

www.biblegateway.com

And I understand that Jesus was born into the nation.

I understand the ‘You are my witnesses’ in Isaiah 43 was after Jehovah had issued a challenge

Let all the nations assemble in one place, And let the peoples be gathered together. Who among them can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear the first things? Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right, Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’ (www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/43)

It would seem similar to me with JW today as they have witnessed the birth of the nation in 1914 I believe and I understand I should be able to hear their message and say it is the truth but I could be wrong.

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'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

by EdenOne in

can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

Ucantnome

Babylon book I believe says it was in 1920 they discerned the good news of God's kingdom as established in the heavens in 1914 (A.D.) was to be preached in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. and quotes the July 1st 1920 Watchtower

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Confusing Opinions with Facts

by cofty in

in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

people deserve respect, errors do not..

Ucantnome

As jwfacts just repeated for the millionth time on this forum, evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

when I type it in to Google it comes up

abiogenesis

ˌeɪbʌɪə(ʊ)ˈdʒɛnɪsɪs/

noun

noun: abiogenesis

the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.

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Embracing, Not Running From, My Repressive JW Heritage, Finding A Few Things Worth Salvaging

by TMS in

yes, we could have been born in an alley in calcutta or with the physical deformities associated with thalidomide.

instead, we were born into or introduced to a repressive, american, religious cult, that shielded us from the warmongering game of chess, the militaristic boy scouts, fornication-inducing sock hops, the twist, as well as the hokey pokey.

we heeded the warnings, avoiding the greedy self-worship associated with masturbation, decadent rock 'n roll and anything preceded by the word "extra-curricular.".

Ucantnome

have you ever considered full-time service?

yes.

the theocratic ministry school wasn't something i would ever have joined had i not felt threatened and i never saw any benefit to me or those i listened to in my opinion.

we had a discussion once with my parents as to weather it was them or the truth as to why we turned out fine. my father felt it was him.

i suppose im trying to think of a benefit. maybe i wouldn't have been a christian but maybe i would