Uneducated people make for good converts and those are the people that most of the time stay in the religion. Also educated people are unhappy being JWs. So in a way, if you are a JW ignorance is bliss.
nevaagain
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When Did Higher Education Become Taboo?
by Wild_Thing ini have been reading about the early history of russelites/jws and in the beginning, it seems the organization was formed and headed by quite a few educated people.
lawyers, doctors, businessman.
you could buy voting rights within the organization for $1000, which by today's standard would be somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000, something most of us do not have on hand, unless you are highly educated and/or wealthy.
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So Long Palmyra NY Hall
by mrquik inah just more evidence of the work "speeding up during the time of the end".
i helped build this hall.
was appointed as an ms & elder there.
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nevaagain
just to add to what @sir82 said. there were a couple of congregations which build a hall with their own money and are basicly housing only one congregation. those halls are often in such a proximity, that really, they only suit the one congregation. seeing as it was build by their own funds, it is not big deal, right? Now I heard, that to support the 3 congregations per kingdom hall plan, they might sell off those congregations and make them move to other halls. Unfair right? What if its elderly who scapped their last dime to have a hall nearby so they dont have to travel far?
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Pioneer Identiffication Number
by Lostandfound insaw in atlantis post re pioneer school abroad this in brnch letter.
piioneer identification number.
so do publishers get one, are the jws now just numbers?.
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nevaagain
yea pioneers used to get discounts for literature when they were still being sold and meals at conventions when there was still food at conventions with that pioneer card. not sure what kind of benefit it would have now. -
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Interlinear bible removed from the JW app?
by nmthinker inmy iphone doesn't have the interlinear bible anymore, the one with the greek and translated english together.
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did they remove it?
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nevaagain
I havent checked yet if the Interlinear is still there, but can someone post examples as to why is it easier to find the TATT with the help of the Interlinear bible?
Also, dont they say say that they only add the name of god, where it is supposed to be after carefully examining the original handwritten manuscripts?
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Question about visiting bethel ... akward moment at the end
by nevaagain insince there a couple of ex-bethelites here, and a lot of people from the greater ny area who have probably visited the bethel in brooklyn and patterson many times, maybe they can shed some light into this curious question we (my wife and me) have for awhile.. so a couple of years ago, we happaned to be in the states and also went to visit the bethels in brooklyn and patterson.
we had the full package, what i mean is, not only we took the tour, but we also had someone to invite us for lunch.
while we wanted to enjoy our stay there, there was always a weird feeling being there.
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nevaagain
To add to my first post. After we arrived home, we really felt bad that we didnt give something in return.
I guess stating that we had the "full package" was misleading. At Patterson we only had the basic tour and lunch. At Brooklyn, other than the normal tour and lunch, we got a smaller tour through the translation department and also our tour guide (which was married) took us and showed us her room which was located in one of the nice buildings in near Bethel. We kind of recognized her lobby with the piano in the last jw movie (the scene where the party was). Also we took some nice pictures there of the Manhatten skyline.
Anyway, I feel really bad now, that we were so unprepared and didnt give anything in return. I think I didnt even have any cash with me that day.
By the way, we kind of were dissapointed by lunch. In Brooklyn we got vegetable Lasagna and unsweetened ice tea and at Patterson we got Philly cheesesteak, which occured to us as beeing an odd choice of a meal, especially for Bethel and made the table look like a mess.
@Billy the Ex-Bethelite thank you for the clarification what would really the full package consist of ;-)
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Finding time
by Jordandemm inis it possible to full time pioneer while working a full time job without making up the hours?
i know of a brother who recently got married too a pioneer the guy was really desperate to get married because his wife despite her many 'spiritual credentials' has very few christ-like qualities unfortunately, anyway that's besides the point.
he is a pioneer now and i'm sure he will be a ms soon the organisation likes that type of stuff the 'pioneer couple' so it shouldn't come as a surprise.
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nevaagain
I have a ton of those counting time stories, especially with pioneers. Someone told me, you have to find creative ways of counting time or else you are not going to make your hours as a pioneer. And thats the problem. They value a number on a field report more than the actualy quality of field service.
So there was a pioneer who i frequently went to service with and the first thing he did after FSM (probably even before) was to drive to a near supermarket parking lot and try to place a tract. Afterwards we would drive to his territory, which was a 30 minute drive or probably longer.
Then another sister told me about the "pioneer shuffle" That is, walking as slow as possible and stop to enjoy the wonders of Jehovahs creation (no joke) and its best if you do it during service hours.
The best thing was, what I experienced with a young pioneer. He wanted to count our break, so he placed a magazine on the table in the restaurant. Funny thing is, he chose the table which was the farthest away possible and also we were the only ones in the restaurant.
But I also experienced pioneers who wanted to make their hours in a honest way, but they didnt last long being pioneers.
Everytime someone tells me that pioneering brings joy and comfort and is the best life style, i ask them why do many pioners stop then not long after the pioneer school (which is after one year of pioneering), if it is the best life style?
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Question about visiting bethel ... akward moment at the end
by nevaagain insince there a couple of ex-bethelites here, and a lot of people from the greater ny area who have probably visited the bethel in brooklyn and patterson many times, maybe they can shed some light into this curious question we (my wife and me) have for awhile.. so a couple of years ago, we happaned to be in the states and also went to visit the bethels in brooklyn and patterson.
we had the full package, what i mean is, not only we took the tour, but we also had someone to invite us for lunch.
while we wanted to enjoy our stay there, there was always a weird feeling being there.
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nevaagain
Since there a couple of ex-bethelites here, and a lot of people from the greater NY area who have probably visited the Bethel in Brooklyn and Patterson many times, maybe they can shed some light into this curious question we (my wife and me) have for awhile.
So a couple of years ago, we happaned to be in the states and also went to visit the Bethels in Brooklyn and Patterson. We had the full package, what I mean is, not only we took the tour, but we also had someone to invite us for lunch. While we wanted to enjoy our stay there, there was always a weird feeling being there. A lot of secrecy (the tour included only the boring places) and the lunch with all the rules about who sits where and who gets the food first was also very weird. And we definitely were happy when we were out...
Anyway like I mentioned before. In both places, Brooklyn and Patterson we had someone who invited us for lunch, so at the end when they took us outside, there was an akward moment of silence, after we all hugged and said bye. Like the other party was waiting for something. Maybe an envelope of cash, or some other present? We only thought about it, because it happened on both occasions.
So is this maybe a custom, that you give the bethelite something in return, after you got invited by him for lunch?
Anyway we are already planing another visit to NY, but bethel will not be part of our visit.
(Fun fact, the sister/friend who invited us last time to stay at her home, signaled that she stopped associating with jws) -
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How did you feel when you found out "the truth about the truth"?
by stuckinarut2 inso when you first found out specific facts about the organisation, how did you feel??.
the un membership.
the way 1914 was calculated from pyramid measurements.
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nevaagain
I am a born in, so i was indoctrinated from little age. But I always knew, something is fishy, I just was too young to do my research and rather went with it. Something which never made sense, was the calculation to get to the year 1914. Also "the truth" would not need to fear apostate material. I bet, even if someone didnt know about any apostate material, or didnt care to read them, after mentioning it so often in the magazines, some would be curious enough to read it.
So even though reading CoC was a big reveal, finally everything made sense.
So to this day, I am a member of a group which is led by a few men who claim to be god’s sole channel of communication on earth, but I the truth here is that god doesnt know anything about it.
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Df brother in shock I spoke to him at kh
by poopie ini was vis it in a kh last night and i just thought i try something new.
when amen was said i bolted out hall low and behold there was anot her poor soul just ahead of me so since he did not know me but i knew he was df i said a greeting to him he seemed greatabsolutely shocked and horrified thst i was speaking to him he acknowledged my greeting and scurried off in t i the night it was a great moment for humankind..
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nevaagain
when I was little like 7 years old there was a disassociated person in our hall but for a reason she came early. Anyway i greeted her like I would greet anyone. I remember my parents telling me not to do that and in fact dont even speak to her, because she was disassociated. Even after my parents councel, I still made a point everytime to greet and talk to her because I guess I didnt want to treat her any different.
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Gas Pump "Witnessing"....Is this a thing?
by Bob Loblaw ini've seen this twice now within a month.
a car group hanging out at a gas station.
one of the cult members jumps outs of their car and runs up to a "worldly" gas pumper, arm stretched out, tract in hand, and here comes the juvenile at best question.
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nevaagain
In my former congregation a brother and me used to do something similar. We would take the teritories that would be the farthest away from where we lived. Sometimes up to a two hours drive. We would then make the occasional stop on a highway restaurant and would witness to the truck drivers making a stop there. This way we counted the whole jurney. btw he was a pioneer ;-)
On the topic of time counting and pioneers. I once went with a pioneer in service and at the end we got hungry so we went into a fast food restaurant. He got his food first and went straight to the table which was the farthest away from the entrance. Also in the fast food restaurant there were almost no other customers. What did he do? He put a watchtower out on the table and was counting time! Nobody passed our table!!! NOBODY! But he still counted the one hour. I made a comment to him about that, but some pioneers are so arrogant, a normal publisher cant tell them anything.
I am still a witness, so everytime someone tells me I am not making enough hours, I tell them stories like these from pioneers and shut them off.