Posts by 144001

What is really clear to me, in reading your post, is that you are in need of counseling. You are confused, and if you don't get some help to figure things out, you are likely to make a bad decision that will cost you dearly.

Jehovah's Witnesses are programmed to believe that psychology is a demonic profession, while the WTBTS' policies have the effect of inflcting severe emotional trauma on many of those within their control. The WTBTS cares only about how much money the WTBTS "Capital" corporation has.

Get some help before it's too late!!!!!

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MY 10 YEAR OLD COMES HOME FROM SPECIAL ASSEMBLY DAY AND SAYS...

by PaintedToeNail in

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"there was a kid who turned down a college scholarship so he could pioneer.

how stupid!

i would do anything to have a scholarship.

144001

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

Malvinas,

I think this dialogue has become very circular, with both of us repeating the same things, in different ways. Good night!

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

<<<< It also betrays your own inner thoughts that if it would be OK for such a person to do so, then what I was saying in forum couldn't have been all that bad to begin with. >>>>

You know my thoughts? Are you hearing voices too?

<<<< So it's wrong for me to try to harm him, but it's perfectly alright with you if someone his organisation has outed had done the same thing?>>>

No, it's wrong in either instance. However, since I wasn't harmed by what he did, I do not have the moral authority to judge someone who was. And you certainly did not have the moral authority to support your deliberate effort to harm Cedars, since like me, you were not harmed by him.

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

Malvinas,

You may claim to be anti-activist, but to me, Cedars is an activist, and your cheap effort to harm him renders you "anti-activist" in my view. And yes, it was a cheap move, because everyone was mad at Cedars at the time, and you knew you could get away with it when you did it. You knew very well that folks would be very unlikely to stick up for him, given the anger that existed at the time.

To me, Cedars being unpopular does not justify efforts to inflict personal harm upon him by someone who cannot even claim to have been hurt by him.

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

Funny, Malvinas, now it's the "everyone else was doing it, so why are you not going after them?" argument. The wrongdoing of others does not justify your own wrongdoing. And the "others" did not claim, in this thread, that they are "not anti-activist," as you did.

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

"I can see your reasoning is more to plead your case, instead of a sincere concern and harm it really did to people."

Please clarify what it is about my reasoning that supports your comment. I don't get it.

"Put yourself in thier shoes for at least a moment. Yes, there was damage done."

We are in agreement on this point. But the harm had nothing to do with the alleged misrepresentation in the organizational documents.

As for putting myself in their shoes, if one of the victims of the Facebook mess had been the one making the allegations of criminal misconduct, I would not have had any issues with them for doing so, as the AAWA Facebook posting caused them significant personal harm. Malvinas suffered no personal harm. Instead, she saw an opportunity to hurt someone who was being taken to task by others here for the AAWA situation. Knowing that no one would be likely to stick up for Cedars, she took her best shot at inflicting real harm on him.

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

You get it, Malvinas, but you're trying to hide the point with more nonsense.

This is a public forum, that you knew, or should have known, is likely to be monitored by the Watchtower, and its legal department. Making public accusations of criminal misconduct about a guy who has been publicly bashing the WT in blogs, YouTube postings, etc., is something they are likely to notice. You seem too smart to me to be ignorant of this fact, and I don't believe that you are.

If they (the WTBTS) thought they had something, and ran with it, it could have resulted in trouble for Cedars, even if that risk was small. By the intentional act of publicly accusing him of criminal conduct on a forum that you knew or should have known is likely to be monitored by the Watcthower, you did in fact intentionally try to harm him.

Poop and turds will not change that.

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

jw
friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

144001

" There were ones who could have lost families or did lose families because of that BS! "

Mindblown,

Who could have lost families over the alleged misrepresentation in the organizational documents of AAWA? No one. Instead, that risk (and the outings that occured) was attributable to the Facebook nonsense that AAWA was responsible for. But the Facebook debacle did not involve any criminal conduct that I am aware of.

If we don't like something someone here does, are there no moral limits to what we will do in response? I don't have much respect for Malvinas' conduct that I've taken issue with, but I certainly have no desire for Malvinas, or anyone else here, to suffer any harm, and especially not at my behest. If I knew that she was cheating on her taxes, would my dislike of things she's posted here justify me going to the authorities to turn her in, even if I knew that she would never find out that it was me who turned her in? I certainly don't believe that it would. But some would disagree.