Simon,
I hope no one farts in that think tank before he installs the air holes.
what do americans in general actually really know about the big outside world outside of their own culture?.
it's certainly not just me, but for years since early childhood in fact, it has been commonly accepted by many, that americans in general are the biggest ignorant fools residing almost anywhere on the planet, yet they still do their damndest to have everyone believe what a great nation they are.
is it even beyond their comprehension how foolish they look often to the rest of the world, the fact that they have so little understanding of problems on the worldwide front?.
Simon,
I hope no one farts in that think tank before he installs the air holes.
what do americans in general actually really know about the big outside world outside of their own culture?.
it's certainly not just me, but for years since early childhood in fact, it has been commonly accepted by many, that americans in general are the biggest ignorant fools residing almost anywhere on the planet, yet they still do their damndest to have everyone believe what a great nation they are.
is it even beyond their comprehension how foolish they look often to the rest of the world, the fact that they have so little understanding of problems on the worldwide front?.
Mark,
I'm surprised at you. Is this really how you think or were you just looking to create controversy?
Take that flame thrower and finish torching what little credibility you have left.
this website is very misleading!
it says its for jehovahs witnesses, for brothers and sisters!!!
and this site is no such thing!
Irish,
May I suggest some looser pants than the present polyester grape smugglers you seem to be wearing? If you don't like the site, don't visit it. Instead, bury your head in the sand at the kingdom hall like the rest of your ostrich family. If that's not fun, you could always volunteer to clean the poop rings left by the elders in the kingdom hall toilets.
i just read a remark that joining the jw's was no different than any other church.
people join because thay find the people are nice and sociable.
i'm also sure that their intent is to be honest and forthright.
Shouldn't this thread be named, "Wolves in Polyester?" All I remember seeing at the kingdom hall was polyester; lots of it.
i am 36 yr old female originally from toronto ontario canada.
was raised jw till i was about 14. has anyone else had this happen in their hall?
the mom's (thank god never mine!
(((Andi))),
Sorry to hear of your experience. I was also beaten with a leather belt, but Dad was kind enough to allow us to wear clothes. The belt was used for everything, motivation to attend meetings, motivation to slave away marketing the cult from door to door, motivation to study cult propaganda. My Dad's "loving" manner of discipline was prevalent throughout the org, I remember "witnessing" extreme beatings with belts, wooden spoons, rods, paddles, etc. at the circuit and district assemblies. Within 15 minutes or so of the start of any meeting at our kingdom hall, you would see parents dragging their kids to the back to beat them, on kingdom hall property. I don't recall the elders ever doing anything to prevent the "kingdom hall" from being just a "beating hall." Instead, the elders promoted this conduct with continual references to "spare the rod, spoil the child."
As another poster mentioned, this problem is far more widespread than the molestation problem, and it gets sweeped under the rug as normal parental discipline. To all those who posted in this thread in an effort to characterize this situation as isolated or normal to society, pull your heads out of your asses. There is nothing normal about beating children to make sure they sit still for hours of boring, mindless programming spewed from the platform by assholes who purport to preach the word of god, or to make sure they slave away pushing cult propaganda on folks who overwhelmingly reject the message of the JW cult. Any so-called religion that promotes this child abuse cannot be characterized as anything other than a cult.
i feel that the apostate's claims that rutherford was a drunk to be far fetched.
on the one hand, they claim that he was so drunk that the brothers at bethel shipped him to san diego to beth sarim, where he stayed drunk out of his mind, then on the other hand, they claimed that he ruled the society with an iron fist, that he was a dictator.
no drunk could have ruled the society like a dictator.
No drunk could have ruled the Society like a dictator.
Tell that to Boris Yeltsin.
i think it's time bethel got a new sign out front, one that really speaks volumes and is far more suitable to their "read god's word the bible daily.
i was thinking: .
oh what a web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!
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You Know,
I appreciated your clarification of your comments on Ray Franz, even though I don't agree. I don't like seeing anyone libeled/slandered, hence my adamant insistence on clarification, retraction, or substantiation. Check the "YK" thread for further comments relating to that matter.
Anyway, I feel like I owe you an apology for the harsh words I've had with you on various occasions. I have no grudge against you, but lots of resentment for the Watchtower that never seems to go away, even though I've been out of the org for 23 years now.
I wish you well.
here is what this "special topic" describes with deadly false propaganda.. "a person might ask why we would single out the witnesses in this matter.
as with other fundamentalist cults, the watchtower goes by the bible advice only when it comes to exposing crimes regarding children or anyone else, that there must be two or more witnesses to a crime.
since abuse and molestation are rarely seen by anyone other than the perpetrator and the victim (and the victim will rarely testify against himself), perhaps hundreds or thousands of cases have gone unpunished, and the perpetrator has not been brought to the police, and the congregation has not been told.
Bleep,
It would be helpful if you stated the source of your quote.
i feel the need for a rant!
i had a conversation with my jw elder father tonight that has left me seething.
just to set the scene, i left the jws back in 1994. i was baptized, having been dfd and reinstated a couple of years prior to my final exit in 94. i was never dfd again and pretty much left to my own devices.
Jst,
Both. LOL
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