@Wozza im so sorry for what you went through, thank you for sharing a part of your story. My spouse and I were discussing this passage in Deut 22 recently & he defends the 2 witness rule. He says it was a direct individual law that would not need the 2 witness rule. And that the fact that it was specific in this case indicates that it didn't rely on the 2 witness rule. Um what?? How can they even apply this to child abuse victims? I get so frustrated trying to reason with him.
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The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY
by wozza inthis is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.
the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".
so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.
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Another marriage bites the dust ...
by EdenOne in... and this time it was mine.. mrs. eden decided to part ways and leave home, and so our 25 year long partnership is now dissolving.
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just another colateral damage in a long list of colateral damages from being raised in the "truth".
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Im sorry for what you are going through. Ive only been married 4 years and going through a separation thanks to the JW cult, I cant imagine 25 years and with a child in the picture. The support on this forum definitely helps.
Best wishes,
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It's that time, singles..... sign in please
by dancnsteph inhey there all you singles.
it's that time in the show where we all sign in and tell a little about ourselves.
i guess i will get the ball rolling here.. my name is stephanie.
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Wow the original post was from 18 years ago! She is my age now, I wonder what ever happened to her. If you are out there can you possibly give us an update? I only wish I had woken up at 20 instead of 35!
@ wakemeup I actually used that website & met my husband on there! Hilarious given the predicament I am in now...
(On JwMatch not this forum. I was still mentally in back then)
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JWs on campus
by Sarabethy init's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.
i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?
because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.
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@jp1692 It's an indoctrinated phobia.-Thank you for the links, I think many of us have felt this way at one point or another.
@sarabethy- I think its great what you are doing for your community.!
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Summary of WT Foundation Quotes
by Vanderhoven7 inthe watchtower, november 1, 1922, pp.332-337.
do you believe that the king of glory is present, and has been since 1874?… this is the day of all days.
behold, the king reigns!
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@dougmason, thank you for the reference. And I agree with you about the New Light. Some people choose not to think critically or for themselves as
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Summary of WT Foundation Quotes
by Vanderhoven7 inthe watchtower, november 1, 1922, pp.332-337.
do you believe that the king of glory is present, and has been since 1874?… this is the day of all days.
behold, the king reigns!
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@vidiot, Good one! Sadly this is is how everyone I've tried to reason with respond. There is no getting through to people like this.
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Summary of WT Foundation Quotes
by Vanderhoven7 inthe watchtower, november 1, 1922, pp.332-337.
do you believe that the king of glory is present, and has been since 1874?… this is the day of all days.
behold, the king reigns!
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Wow thank you for this post. I am printing this now to show my brother very soon. I just hope he doesn't dismiss everything by saying they now have 'new light' crappola. pardon my french
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Oregon: JW sexual abuse suspect arrested
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.kptv.com/story/37498850/sheriff-jehovahs-witness-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-in-clackamas-co. .
sheriff: jehovah's witness sexual abuse suspect arrested in clackamas co.. posted: feb 13, 2018 5:39 pm cstupdated: feb 13, 2018 6:21 pm cst.
by fox 12 staff.
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LizD thank you for sharing your story and being so brave!
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After watching "the last man on earth" I've been thinking about the paradise
by purrpurr inif you haven't seen will forte's "the last man on earth" on amazon prime, do as its really funny.
the setting of the story is that 2 years prior a virus has killed all humans except one.... amongst the high jinks are the struggles he has with things like; getting water from the water system when the areas water supply is no longer being maintained, ditto sewerage, not having ready access to fresh foods that require industry like butter and cheese, not having access to medical help, being unable to communicate with anyone outside of shouting distance, having no electricity / electronic appliances.. it's got me thinking, all the wt's illustrations show the time when armageddon is over as being really joyful and there being plenty for everyone.
but in fact that would just not be the case, especially since most jw's have no survival skills or expert knowledge of any kind.. jws just don't think about this, how are all those couples who are waiting untill the new system to have kids, going to have kids in a survival setting?
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Jehover will take care of all of those things. It will be nothing but miracle after miracle. Just like what happened during and after the flood.
ps i agree good show!
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Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.
by Wasanelder Once inroll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.
in one sentence tell why you left the org.
not 2 sentences.
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Researching the ARC, the UN connection, the doctrine flip flops, researching WT history & watching a Scientology documentary & seeing the similarities.