Posts by NewLight2

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Salvation Discussion

by Shawn in

i want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.

i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.

can i experience "eternal life"?

Brother Nosey:
"Well, I'm sorry Shawn, since you do not believe in the FDS, and are now DF'd there is no way for you to have Eternal Life. You must first adjust your thinking, wait about one year, all the while attending all of the KH meetings while sitting in the back row. You will have to 'endure' the shunning from everyone at the hall. If after a year of this 'repentance' you may request a hearing for 're-instatement'. If we, the elders, feel that you are repentant enough, we will grant you your re-instatment request."

" OH, and about your sharing your doubts with another brother in the hall, we will be 'talking' to him to see if his beliefs need a 'little adjusting' also. He just may find himself dF'd too!"

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What book helped "open your eyes"

by Shawn in

the obvious two would be coc and isocf.

are there any others that had an impact on your beliefs/doubts?

are there any that are not apostate?

NewLight2

PS

John L. McKenzie is one of the authors that are misquoted by the Watchtower in the Trinity booklet. The Tower crown example should be used only AFTER you have done some 'research' from the WT Trinity booklet. Your 'excuse' is that while you had that book home from the library, you were just 'looking through it and guess what I found'.

I found about about it from reading:

Why You Should Believe in the Trinity: An Answer to Jehovah's Witnesses by Robert M Bowman, Jr

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What book helped "open your eyes"

by Shawn in

the obvious two would be coc and isocf.

are there any others that had an impact on your beliefs/doubts?

are there any that are not apostate?

NewLight2

"I will try that. I have been told though that the trinity is a topic that should not be brought up because of the deep training JWs have had in regards to it." -- Shawn

As a SUBJECT that is true. But using the booklet for this purpose is a different mater.

The JW can 'argue' Bible verse upon Bible verse to prove that the trinity doctrine is not taught in the Bible. But, they will have a hard time 'explaining' why the Society has MISQUOTED the source material to back up their point of view in that booklet.

You, on the other hand, can work the system by being 'curious' about the JW beliefs and want to know exactly why they teach that the 'trinity doctrine' is wrong, since this is a major point in your own belief system. That is why you want to read their 'Trinity' booklet. You want to find out "THE REAL TRUTH" (ie that the JW's are right) about the trinity.

Now, with that booklet in hand, you start to read. Your 'unbelief' at what you have been reading has caused you to 'question' the sources that they used, so that you wanted to 'read the sources for yourself' and guess what you have found!! MISQUOTES!!

It is a game, Shawn, and you must always 'play dumb' in order to get through the mind-control. If a JW THINKS they are 'teaching' you, you can ask all kinds of damaging 'questions'.

This is the method that is taught in Ron Rhodes book that you said you had in your posession.

NewLight2

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What book helped "open your eyes"

by Shawn in

the obvious two would be coc and isocf.

are there any others that had an impact on your beliefs/doubts?

are there any that are not apostate?

NewLight2

Here is yet another example of how you can 'place a seed of doubt' in your friend's mind. Get a copy of the Dictionary of the Bible by John L. McKenzie, Macmillan Publishing, c/r 1977, 1965 from your local library or use the Inter-Library-Loan (ILL) system to obtain a copy. On p. 58 you will find a picture of ARTEMIS OF EPHESUS that has a 'tower crown' on her head. It looks just like the one found on every copy of the current Watchtower issue. Ask her if she thinks that it resembles the 'watchtower' pictured on the WT Mags and ask her if she thinks that the 'tower' is a 'pagan sysmbol' since it is on that idol's head as a crown. You should NOT tell her your conclusion. If she dismisses it. Let it go. The picture will stick in her mind and grow as time goes by. It is the little 'seeds of doubt', planted over a long period of time that will begin to bare fruit. What you are doing is placing 'little straws' which will later become 'THE straw that broke the camels back' in getting her to find her way out of the mind-control.

The picture can be found on this page:

How the Watchtower Society Uses Pagan Symbols

Just click on the smaller picture for a full larger picture.

NewLight2

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What book helped "open your eyes"

by Shawn in

the obvious two would be coc and isocf.

are there any others that had an impact on your beliefs/doubts?

are there any that are not apostate?

NewLight2

Here is another good thread:
Please help me prove the wts wrong

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/89057/1.ashx

I think that the info about "WT Misquotes" may be of interest to you. But as always go slow when using them. Do not overwhelm the person with all of the quotes at a time.

Example:

Ask your friend for a cooy of the "Trinity Booklet" then using the misquotes on the web try to get your hands on the books mentioned through ILL from the library. Copy the pages. THEN present this material in a questioning manner.

Example:

Can you explain this to me? Why did the WT misquote this source material? Wait for an answer. If this method is followed slowly enough all of the misquotes will begin to have an impact on the 'brainwashing'. One or two misquotes can be dismissed as errors, but as the list gets longer and longer it will get harder to 'explain away'.

Also it may be a good idea for you to begin to look up for yourself any references that are quoted in WT books/mags by obtraining the originial material and comparing it. Yes, this a a lot of work, but the rewards will be well worth the time invested.

NewLigh2

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5 lbs. 14 oz. baby boy

by Bryan in

jw
friends

yep that's right.... the baby boy is here!

we went for a no-stess and fluid test yesterday, and as luck would have it, there was stress and no fluid.

he's 5 weeks early but he had to come out.

NewLight2

Congratulations on your new little family addition!!!

NewLight2

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Salvation Discussion

by Shawn in

i want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.

i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.

can i experience "eternal life"?

NewLight2

Shawn,

If you ever admit to not believing that the Governing Body (or FDS)is not Jehovah's sole method of communication on earth, you will be df'd for 'apososty'. Since your confession of 'unbelief' was made before 2 elders, the next step is to put you through a JC hearing and officialy
DF you.

NewLight2

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Salvation Discussion

by Shawn in

i want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.

i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.

can i experience "eternal life"?

NewLight2

Elder Big Nosey here Shawn. I'd like to ask you a question if I may.
(with Elder Bigger Nose listening in ) Do you still believe that the Governing Body is Jehovah's sole channel of communication?

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Apostate site?

by Shawn in

i was wondering if the jws concider this site: .

http://www.jwinfoline.com/ .

an apostate one?

NewLight2

From the site:

Walter Martin - never a jw - but an expert in major cults - he is no longer living. Since he was never a jw, technically he is not an apostate, but he would be considered a major opposer of the WT.

Bill Cetnar - yes he would be considered an apostate since he was a baptized jw at one time.

Keith and Lorri MacGregor are former JW's and therefore considered apostates by the WT.

So to answer you question: Yes, this site would be considered an "Apostate site"

NewLight2

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Salvation Discussion

by Shawn in

i want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.

i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.

can i experience "eternal life"?

NewLight2

That's ok, Brummie. That was an excellant post on summerizing what Shawn was asking when he started the thread. I'm sure he will be able to make use of what you said.

NewLight2