probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
scholar JW: it is far better to rely on the ancient inspired historical record of the Holy Bible
And there we have it folks. If anyone was wondering if our resident 'scholar' might actually be onto something you can be assured that his ramblings are based on nothing but faith. Rational enquiry has nothing to do with it.
probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
Witness 007: This would be a massive blow worse then 1975 where a milliion left the org
With respect, no. Difference being that dates and chronology mattered to the bulk of JW's in the 70s. Not anymore. As Gorb said it's just a lifestyle movement now.
during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.
he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.
he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.
Despite the seismic changes to their expectations for the future , re the resurrection and survival - the things that have really got them talking are the changes in dress and grooming. The other stuff goes by with hardly a word .
What does that show about them?
That they aren't in it for anything other than the social club. I was going to say that it might show how shallow JW's are but perhaps that's a bit unkind.
Perhaps.
i'm still digesting these changes and i think i'll reserve judgement for some months until we see how it all plays out in reality.. however, if the disfellowshipping process really has been de-fanged and shunning is beginning it's retreat into the society's past then what excuses will there be in the years to come for anyone who wants to leave?.
i can almost understand why they've done this.
more carrot, less stick.
I hear what you're saying Slim' I just wonder about the difference between the new rules and the actual behaviour that these changes will trigger.
The signal has been sent and generations of young JW's who were never on-board with this abusive behaviour anyway now know that the Org is losing the stomach for it.
There comes a point when the kids just aren't scared of the cranky, stick waving, old men anymore.
i'm still digesting these changes and i think i'll reserve judgement for some months until we see how it all plays out in reality.. however, if the disfellowshipping process really has been de-fanged and shunning is beginning it's retreat into the society's past then what excuses will there be in the years to come for anyone who wants to leave?.
i can almost understand why they've done this.
more carrot, less stick.
I'm still digesting these changes and I think I'll reserve judgement for some months until we see how it all plays out in reality.
However, if the disfellowshipping process really has been de-fanged and shunning is beginning it's retreat into the Society's past then what excuses will there be in the years to come for anyone who wants to leave?
I can almost understand why they've done this. More carrot, less stick. Anything to keep the young ones from leaving. Relaxed grooming and dress codes, gentler disciplinary rules, no mandatory reporting or even in-person meeting attendance. I mean, how easy can they make it?!
Doctrine is next I'll bet.
Could this be a watershed to match 1995? I think so but only time will tell. Hardly seems worth fighting this self neutered opponent anymore.
R.I.P Watchtower?
does anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
he's ok and getting on with life
Lovely to hear, thanks for passing that on Jan
burning heretics alive was a common practice in medieval europe.
i cannot begin to imagine the depravity of the mind that invented this cruelty, let alone the inhumanity and callousness of those who carried out the act.
sometimes an individual would take pity on the victim and hide gunpowder among the wood faggots to hasten their death.. there is only one way to make this scenario even more depraved, infinitely depraved in fact; and that would require magic powers.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners have much more fun" Billy Joel.
for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
Why should chemicals care what reaction they have? In the atheist paradigm that’s pretty much all we are right?
One chemical reaction goes fizz, another one goes bang. Who cares? That’s how atheists describe their formation right? It’s all just chemicals and chance.
You're so hung up on this. I'm no more a bag of chemicals than you are just "dust from the ground". You really have no idea how insulting you are do you Sea Breeze?
for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
Are you fucking kidding me?
He's not kidding Vidiot. If people said about Jews and Muslims the sort of things that Sea Breeze says about atheists they'd be labelled antisemitic or Islamaphobic.
Not sure why his particular brand of bigotry is tolerated.
for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
That's interesting Slim'. I'm sure I remember being taught that anyone killed in the Flood (or as with Korah and others executed directly by Jehovah) that there would be no resurrection as God's judgements are perfect and everlasting. I stand to be corrected though.
Either way it sort of makes my point. You can only really know a person by what they've done, not what they say they're going to do.
