nicolaou
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more WTS/UN articles
by Imogenne inhere are some more addresses concerning wts/un relations.. www.guardian.co.uk/religion/story/0,2763,574175,00.html www.guardian.co.uk/religion/story/0,2763,574175,00.html www.un.org/partners/civil_society/ngo/ngos-dpi.htm#top.
www.thetruthhurts.freeservers.com/unitednations.htm
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Online Automatic Poetry Generator..........TRY IT!
by nicolaou init's completely crap!
but hilarious too - i entered the keywords 'faith' and 'religion' and this is what it gave me!!!.
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~esincoff/poetry/jpoetry.html.
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nicolaou
It's completely CRAP! But hilarious too - I entered the keywords 'faith' and 'religion' and this is what it gave me!!!
. http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~esincoff/poetry/jpoetry.html
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A cute Panda teleports from the dejected religion
Scoff not at my vile remarks level fiend
With lightening strokes, the faith shot forward; contemptuosly, rapidly
Winky, the precise little bank robber smiled with a cherub grin
"Holy flying prong, Batman" it said keenly
A kitchen sink or a sympathetic robin is the key
My testicle seared as Annie Oakley strolled by with her schnozzle held high
The nurse scolded the zebra, to no avail
Cry, for the loss has fallen like a leaden rocketship upon you
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Nic'
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Letting go of JW relatives (Long)
by MegaDude ini've been out of the jws for some time now, seven years.
like many of you, i left a lot of acquaintances, friends, and family behind.. the acquaintances were fairly easy to let go, the friends very hard, and the family, well, near impossible, at least up until now.
that she should listen to both sides of the story without fear and make her own decision.
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nicolaou
Megadude
you struck so many familiar chords! I'm happy for you in that you've found some peace.When I finally got to the end of what I wanted to say, I walked around the table and told her I loved her, I missed her, and wanted her back in my life, and to please stop shunning me. Then I hugged her and kissed her on the cheek. I thought she was going to cry. To tell you the truth, I thought I might myself. It was a real breakthrough for me. No anger. Emotion, yes. But not that big chip of anger. What a difference from the seething, bitter person I was seven years ago.
You should be proud of yourself.Nic'
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Nominal UK JW's. IMPORTANT NOTICE!
by nicolaou intuesday october 23rd d.p.a .
uk jw's who wish to limit the involvement of the wtb&ts in their personal lives should be aware that on tuesday 23rd october the provisions of the data protection act empower you to obtain copies of all information your local congregation is holding on you, this now includes written data as well as electronically stored information.
you may also make request to the uk branch office in mill hill.. the request needs to be made in writing to your local congregation 'data controller'.
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nicolaou
I recently received an email from a poster here who wanted to know if a DF'd person could also ask to see his* records.
His identity will of course not be disclosed but I thought that a question like this would be well addressed on the board.
My first thought was 'what a shame that this person still feels somehow excluded because of the decision to DF'.
When leaving the org it's important to shake off any control they still have over you as quickly as possible. When you see any of your former dub friends say hello to them - if you want to.
If, for whatever reason, you decide to attend a meeting don't take the back row seat, sit at front row, centre - if you want to.
Once you are DF'd or DA'd you are, by definition, no longer a member.
Don't play by their rules - if you don't want to.
As to accessing your personal records, excommunication (or disfellowshipping) carries no legal status. You have as much right to access your records as anyone else!
It's an interesting question though, I would assume that an organisation would automatically 'forfeit' it's rights to hold records on a member once that member has been formally removed.
I'll look into that - in the mean time be sure to ask for your records from your old congregation secretary (in writing as per the thread) and let us all know how it goes.Nic'
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Nominal UK JW's. IMPORTANT NOTICE!
by nicolaou intuesday october 23rd d.p.a .
uk jw's who wish to limit the involvement of the wtb&ts in their personal lives should be aware that on tuesday 23rd october the provisions of the data protection act empower you to obtain copies of all information your local congregation is holding on you, this now includes written data as well as electronically stored information.
you may also make request to the uk branch office in mill hill.. the request needs to be made in writing to your local congregation 'data controller'.
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nicolaou
Much to consider here. Notice that the Society have stated nine purposes for which they wish to collect data. If you are still a nominal JW that is information they are holding about you!
Protect your privacy - do not sign the new consent form!
Nic'
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Data Protection Act 1998. Register of Data Controllers
Registration Number: Z4617720
Date Registered: 13-MAR-00 Registration expires: 12-MAR-02
Data Controller: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF BRITAINAddress:
WATCH TOWER HOUSE
THE RIDGEWAY
LONDON
NW7 1RN--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This register entry describes, in very general terms, the personal data being processed by: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF BRITAIN
This register entry contains personal data held for 9 purpose(s)
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PURPOSE 1
Accounts & Records
Purpose Description:Keeping accounts related to any business or other activity carried on by the data controller, or deciding whether to accept any person as a customer or supplier, or keeping records of purchases, sales or other transactions for the purpose of ensur ing that the requisite payments and deliveries are made or services provided by him or to him in respect of those transactions, or for the purpose of making financial or management forecasts to assist him in the conduct of any such busin ess or activity
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Customers and Clients
Suppliers
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Business or other contactsData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Employment Details
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar NatureSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Current, past or prospective employers of the data subject
Healthcare, social and welfare advisers or practitioners
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Other companies in the same group as the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Financial organisations and advisers
Central Government
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
Data processors
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 2
Advertising, Marketing & Public Relations
Purpose Description:Advertising or marketing the business of the data controller, activity, goods or services and promoting public relations in connection with that business or activity, or those goods or services.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Customers and Clients
Members or supporters
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Donors and LendersData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Physical or Mental Health or ConditionSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Other companies in the same group as the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Political organisations
Religious organisations
Data processors
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 3
Staff Administration
Purpose Description:Appointments or removals, pay, discipline, superannuation, work management or other personnel matters in relation to the staff of the data controller.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Previous and prospective employers of the staff and refereesData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Education and Training Details
Employment Details
Racial or Ethnic Origin
Physical or Mental Health or ConditionSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Current, past or prospective employers of the data subject
Healthcare, social and welfare advisers or practitioners
Education, training establishments and examining bodies
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Financial organisations and advisers
Central Government
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
Employment and recruitment agencies
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 4
Administration of Membership Records
Purpose Description:The administration of membership records.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Members or supporters
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Relatives, guardians and associates of the data subject
Donors and LendersData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Education and Training Details
Employment Details
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Physical or Mental Health or Condition
Membership DetailsSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Relatives, guardians or other persons associated with the data subject
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Financial organisations and advisers
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
Data processors
Members including shareholders
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 5
Trading / Sharing in Personal Information
Purpose Description:The sale, hire or exchange of personal information.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Suppliers
Members or supporters
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Donors and LendersData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Membership DetailsSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Employees and agents of the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Traders in personal data
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Members including shareholders
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 6
Fundraising
Purpose Description:Fundraising in support of the objectives of the data controller.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Members or supporters
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Business or other contactsData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Membership DetailsSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Central Government
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Auditors
Members including shareholders
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Legal Services
Purpose Description:The provision of legal services, including advising and acting on behalf of clients.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Relatives, guardians and associates of the data subject
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Business or other contactsData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Financial Details
Goods or Services Provided
Membership Details
Business activities of the data subjectSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Healthcare, social and welfare advisers or practitioners
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Financial organisations and advisers
Private investigators
Local Government
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
Transfers:Worldwide
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PURPOSE 8
Realising the Objectives of a Charitable Organisation or Voluntary Body
Purpose Description:The provision of goods and services in order to realise the objectives of the charity or voluntary body.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Customers and Clients
Suppliers
Members or supporters
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Relatives, guardians and associates of the data subject
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Business or other contacts
Employees of other organisations
Donors and LendersData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Education and Training Details
Employment Details
Goods or Services Provided
Racial or Ethnic Origin
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Membership DetailsSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Relatives, guardians or other persons associated with the data subject
Healthcare, social and welfare advisers or practitioners
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Suppliers, providers of goods or services
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
Members including shareholders
Customers and clients of the data controller for goods and services
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Crime Prevention and Prosecution of Offenders
Purpose Description:Crime prevention and detection and the apprehension and prosecution of offenders.
Data subjects are:
Staff including volunteers, agents, temporary and casual workers
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Offenders and suspected offenders
WitnessesData classes are:
Personal Details
Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Employment Details
Religious or Other Beliefs Of A Similar Nature
Sexual Life
Offences (Including Alleged Offences)
Criminal Proceedings, Outcomes And Sentences.
Business activities of the data subject
Details of complaintsSources (S) and Disclosures (D) (1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):
Data subjects themselves
Relatives, guardians or other persons associated with the data subject
Healthcare, social and welfare advisers or practitioners
Business associates and other professional advisers
Employees and agents of the data controller
Other companies in the same group as the data controller
Persons making an enquiry or complaint
Police forces
Voluntary and charitable organisations
Religious organisations
The media
Other statutory law enforcement agencies, investigating bodies
Transfers:Worldwide
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Nominal UK JW's. IMPORTANT NOTICE!
by nicolaou intuesday october 23rd d.p.a .
uk jw's who wish to limit the involvement of the wtb&ts in their personal lives should be aware that on tuesday 23rd october the provisions of the data protection act empower you to obtain copies of all information your local congregation is holding on you, this now includes written data as well as electronically stored information.
you may also make request to the uk branch office in mill hill.. the request needs to be made in writing to your local congregation 'data controller'.
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A useful site (for some) of pages and databases:
by sf in< http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/451f/list
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Changing the Watchtowers charitable status (UK)
by nicolaou inthe uk charity commission lists 'the advancement of religion' as one of its 'first group charitable purposes'.. it makes the "general assumption that the advancement of religion is for the public benefit".
the advancement of religion.
for the advancement of religion to be charitable, a religion has to:.
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nicolaou
With a couple of small revisions and a little polishing, the letter has now been sent to the UK Charity Commission governors.
I'll let you know what happens.
Nic'
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Mr J A Nicolaou
196 High Road
Wood Green
London
N22 8HHCharity Commission for England and Wales
Harmsworth House
13-15 Bouverie Street
London
EC4Y 8DPDate: 24th October 01
Ref: dnc/wt-2RE: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain
Charity Number: 1077961
Registration Date: 27th October 1999Dear Sir or Madam
I am writing to voice my concern about the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, the organisation that represents almost 130,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses in this country.
I have been associated with this organisation since childhood and was baptised into the faith more than 21 years ago.
I remain a nominal Jehovah’s Witness.My first concern centres on the way this organisation has been misleading both its members and the Charity Commission in that the charity may have been undertaking improper political activities.
In 1992, the Headquarters Organisation of the WTB&TS in New York gained official NGO status with the United Nations Department of Public Information. Following exposure in UK press articles (Guardian 08/10/01 & 15/08/01) the WTB&TS requested that its association with the UN be terminated.
The resultant UN investigation by Mr Paul Hoeffel, (Chief NGO Section, UN-DPI) reached the following conclusion; in Mr Hoeffel’s words “the DPI has made a decision to disassociate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York as of 9th October 2001”.
A copy of his letter is enclosed for your inspection.
I would like to ask that the Charity Commission make enquiries of the British branch to ensure that there is no further infringement of this charities political impartiality.Secondly, I notice at your website http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/cc21.htm#11 that:
“In some cases the advancement of religion is not charitable. This is where public benefit is clearly lacking. Examples of this include:
·organisations where the benefit is wholly private (such as an entirely enclosed religious order where the activities consist only of private prayer); and
.where an organisation is set up to promote the beliefs of a particular religion which undermine the accepted foundations of religion and morality, or are otherwise contrary to the public interest.”Where the activities of this charity endanger life by prohibiting life-saving medical procedures, when hundreds of families in the UK have been torn apart by the charities official policy on shunning family members and when child abusers are reputedly offered protection from the law by local congregations it seems difficult to see where the “benefit” or “public interest” really lies.
Please be assured that these are not the ravings of a disgruntled ex-member. I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and intend to remain such for as long as it is within my power to do so. However, I have come to the unavoidable conclusion that this organisation cannot change for the better via internal efforts alone.
Therefore, for the sake of thousands of ordinary families and innocent children within the UK I respectfully ask that the Charity Commission investigate the propriety of awarding charitable status to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain.
Yours faithfully,
Mr J A Nicolaou
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FREE FLYER TO DOWNLOAD AND DISTRIBUTE!
by nicolaou inthe volunteer section at the dnc site is coming along now.. in addition to the affiliate scheme there are now labels and an eyecatching a5 flyer to print off and distribute.. .
it's simple - no fancy graphics - and can be printed 'black on white' very cheaply.. a 1000 flyers can be produced for very few 's or $'s.. how about spending a bit extra for two-color printing, the bright red warning!
is really worth it.. don't say there's nothing you can do because now there is!.
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Simon,
thank you SO much for the link - I appreciate it!Not to sound picky, but could you drop the (UK) part? The dnc service is effective wherever there is relevant trespass legislation.
Karen,
thanks for your comments. If you take another trip to the site you'll notice that you,ve pretty well summed up the way dnc works except that it's not automated - I have to do it!Nic'
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Let's get back in Field Service! . . . NO REALLY!
by nicolaou inare you currently inactive?
i am.. think of the fun we could have!
surprise everyone at your kh by turning up on sunday morning for the 'ministry' - who would ask to work with you?!.
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Are you currently inactive? I am.
Think of the fun we could have! Surprise everyone at your KH by turning up on Sunday Morning for the 'ministry' - WHO WOULD ASK TO WORK WITH YOU?!
Think how rattled the Elders would be? Imagine their fear.
Imagine going from door to door and telling everyone you meet the gods-honest TRUTH!
The truth about WT blood doctrine, shunning, pedophlia, UN etc.
Imagine your 'brothers & sisters' watching you nervously from three doors away while you work discreetly on your own!
Imagine the difficulty your Elders would have in calling you to account, after all - your a regular publisher again!!
Oh the joyous protection of it all!
See you next Sunday - FRONT ROW, CENTRE!
Nic'
(of the big cheesy grin class!)