Posts by JaniceA

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Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?

by stuckinarut2 in

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i was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.

i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.

1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?

JaniceA

No, most wont. but most people who think they are inherently superior to the other because of their belief system shut down others as much as their power or ability allows. The WT disassociates people formally and JWs do informally if they don't approve of like the way a discussion makes them feel about themself. They aren't unique in this.

It happens all the time among non-JWs, religious and irreligious people. They imagine that silencing the other will make all their doubts and confusion go away.it will silence the noise in their head. It doesn't work.

Conversation requires give and take. When one side devalues and dehumanizes the other to maintain their world view, they can't listen and they already know they lost.

By the way, the silencer isn't necessarily wrong in their view, but they fear that it will break their world view to hear an opposing or even contrasting view.

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Sorry to hear that you left the "truth"

by eyeuse2badub in

the other day i ran into a jw who just happened to be my very friend during my jw days (which were most of my life).

so for about 60 years we were each other’s very best friend.

we grew up together from about 8 years old and are the same age, now in our early 70’s.

JaniceA

That sounds like a unsatisfying conversation! It's sad what happened to a lifelong friendship. I'm sorry.

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The FISA Memo, To Release Or Not To Release

by freemindfade in

was the doj, nsa, and fbi weaponized?

the biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the gop?

i am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).

JaniceA

Trump is used to looking like a douche. I thought this was to indict the spy agencies for being. . .you know, spies.

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The FISA Memo, To Release Or Not To Release

by freemindfade in

was the doj, nsa, and fbi weaponized?

the biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the gop?

i am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).

JaniceA

They should release it and get to the bottom of it. I didn't vote for the old or new administration. I'm sick of the gossip, innuendo and denials. On all sides. If Canada was warmer. . .They have their own intrigues, I'm sure. Im over all this crap every day.

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Looking for a link to the truth be told movie

by blownaway in

i see this movie in parts but not the whole thing.

any links?

JaniceA

You know, if they won't release it on our schedule and for free, then we just have a right to download it from a pirate site. That's how people here get CoC, right? Copyrights are for stupid people who obey the law. Schmucks!

Is my sarcasm showing? Oops!

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White clean shaven man runs over muslims

by silentbuddha in

so in england they report a "white clean-shaven man" mowed down worshippers at a mosque.

why do they never make such detailed descriptions when muslims do the same?.

i hope this event isn't a bad turning point.

JaniceA

Acting as if every JW is a child molester and every homeschool family are abusive nutters or that every white/black/chinese/lgbt/female/male is an imminent threat because a lot of "their kind" has been in the news recently is not logical or rational.

We have a very diverse community that says a lot of controversial things. The banned poster was not the one who brought up "beheading", but after their pointing out the foolishness of the original statement, the excuse was made to ban.

It's a shame that someone who has been shunned since childhood by a religious group for not believing is now shunned by an atheist running a support group of over a decade for believing something unpopular.

If this forum has started disfellowshipping and banning because we don't like the beliefs of others, how are we an improvement over the organization?

This has been a good place to see what they (the organization and JWs) are up to and to express ourselves. I'd hate for it to become a place where every non conforming poster is accused of being a threat for daring to disagree with a moderator.

For those who think she is terribly misled and part of a horrible thing, did you ever think that this has been her safe place? Plenty of posters started posting here defending ideas that they now dont support.

There was no threat ever made, no matter what an extremist group was or is up to.

There is much good that comes from this forum, but this case is not a shining example of "tolerance".

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Best way to deal with anger at the GB while waking up?

by CovertsadJW in

good morning everyone , .

i am wondering how people have personally delt with the anger at the gb when waking up and realizing it’s a scam, lie , and it’s awfully depressing .

i have had difficulty concentrating at work , have had an emotional roller coaster between okay days and awful days.

JaniceA

Be strategic. Don't let your emotions or your RIGHT to take certain actions or say certain things overwhelm the need to care for yourself long term. Ultimately you want to make wise decisions that will benefit your future and your family.

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White clean shaven man runs over muslims

by silentbuddha in

so in england they report a "white clean-shaven man" mowed down worshippers at a mosque.

why do they never make such detailed descriptions when muslims do the same?.

i hope this event isn't a bad turning point.

JaniceA

Loveunihateexams, maybe the loss off his ever loving mind was what the excommunicated forum member was speaking of. . . "Beheady muslims"? Seems the threat of the Muslim poster was all in your overactive imagination! Heads were definitely "lost" in this thread, college boy. Someone posts for a dozen years in a polite and respectful manner, not losing it even under attack, and they are shut out.

Bravo. You all just saved your virtual world from a rational conversation.

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What to Do....Please Help. Awakening JW for a very long time

by CovertsadJW in

good afternoon , .

i have been having doubts for many years and as most jw's i have certainly not done myself a favor by suppressing all of my critical thinking.

i am married with 3 kids and my wife and i are inactive, but my wife has made it very clear in speech and action that she wants to go to all meetings, field service, and indoctrinate our kids.