it’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
I think that Afrikaans bemoaning the lack of spiritual interest in Jews that still celebrate their jewishness rather missed the point of rabbi midges posts. That or more likely be simply disagreed with their right to the culture unless they are bearded with tassels and praying daily at the western wall. That is part of our fundamentalist Christian indoctrination.
JWs would hate to be categorized as fundamentalist.
it’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
I was enjoying this and having lived close to Jewish communities, I appreciate much of what you explained about Jewish people. I think you are getting a taste of how ingrained it is for some to make every discussion at least a bit contentious. Some are really "off" religious discussion, period. Others have come to their (current) understanding and can't hear any other explanation of a religious community without feeling challenged.
Of course some things touched me in certain visceral ways, too. That one can accept a larger commonality (,simply being born into a community) and being accepted for that accident of birth offends every fundamental/evangelical vestige from of christian(ish) upbringing that we have. As you know, JWs reject every festival and celebratory event they can other than weddings (which are not that fun, honestly) Getting to celebrate without buying into some belief system messes with our damaged JW brains sometimes. It's an entirely different view of the universe and the atheists will have at you on different levels altogether.
There are obviously Jews that probably give your understanding the side eye, too, but I quite enjoyed learning about your world view and hope you continue posting.
There are some lingering bits of being in a high control religion that might come back and bite this young lady in the butt someday. Encourage her and your nephew to educate themselves about it.
Good luck!
today is the 49th anniversaryof my parole from federal prison.
in french, "parole" means 'word of honor'.in effect, a prisoner promises the authorities they will be honorable.. in 1967, i violated the u.s. military training and service act.about 25,000 draft age americans simply ran away to canada.i did not run.
i stayed and gave my 'witness.".
Terry, the WT stinks. You have had a colorful and interesting life in part due to your association with it.Prison is such a horrible and dangerous experience that I think the harms you have experienced cannot begin to be mitigated by the end result- clearly you are a creative and thoughtful man with amazing qualities. But after the WT chews us up and spits us out, everything is altered and our life course changes dramatically.
You have been a great person to know of over the years and I selfishly am glad you are in our band of misfit toys, but. . .
How many of us wonder how our lives would be had we not had our brains distorted by that association with the WTBTS ? Where would Terry be?
ok with the push for more personal data to be held by watchtower.. what if... they one day came out and said great news brothers and sisters.
we are soon to be launching jw internet.
you can soon cancel your service provider and sign up to ours.
Some countries censor. Coming home, the first time I misspelled msn.com my first thought was surprise at the porn page. I had no barriers to find anything needed with a controlling government, but they didn’t restrict religious or political content from what we could find, just no porn. They couldn’t control the satellite tv though! That was a problem with kids but we just disconnected.
wonder how much the WT will censor?
Forgve word choices most vowels aren’t wrkng my phone.
it's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.
i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?
because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.
Sarabethy, You really are doing a difficult thing and you are awesome for facing them. You have an opportunity to really help the students to be educated and you might open the JWs eyes too. You can change the world. You already are!
it's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.
i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?
because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.
Invite your friends and classmates to the area for your own regular dissemination’s about the dangers of involvement with the JWs. Right next to the silent JWs. If you have a free speech area on campus all the better. They have nowhere else to go.
ok guys and gals.. let's have them.
as horrible as this may be i really want to see a few examples.
all my life i was taught that apostates just spread lies and falsehoods.. yet since i have left the organisation and looked deeply into apostate articles.
I remember one accusation of a ”lie”” that I investigated. The accuser had a picture of the supposed lie contrasted with his congregations opt of the publication. It was different! The reason was that the WT had ore than one publishing date and the embarrassing wrong info was removed and replaced . I believe it was really old like studies in the scriptures. So don’t know if the Jw was aware of it, but as a recovering apologist myself, I doubt the person is still in. The weight of evidence becomes undeniable.
i was reading an excerpt from comets memoir and was this quote (seen a lot in regards to trump) but my mind kept going back to wt and the mind f#ck they have going on with jws.
i know i'm not the only one whose mind went straight to the borg.
i hope lots of use have the same connection.
I thought an FBI synopsis of the mobs mentality was the interesting bit here. The political impact of this is another type of post in a different category. Having heard the Donald’s ideas about loyalty I had already thought he sounded like a mob boss, but reality is that if the media liked him, they could have spun out to sound innocuous at worst or even possibly positive.
Just the way an actual FBI director phrased that thing about the mafia to summarize my feelings and impressions of the WT org made me sit up and take notice.
Hes unemployed. . . I wish he could use his resources and connections to get the borg.
ok guys and gals.. let's have them.
as horrible as this may be i really want to see a few examples.
all my life i was taught that apostates just spread lies and falsehoods.. yet since i have left the organisation and looked deeply into apostate articles.
I found decades ago that some(few) of the anti JW books would quote WT publication in either a sloppy or misleading way. I did a lot of research pre internet and went to original publications which were easier to find in the 70s and 80s hardcover.
As it was decades ago, I don't have specific examples, but occasionally it happened. I Remember only 2 examples of outright lies told by a supposed former JW. regarding teachings, but mostly I saw ignorant mistakes (calling the KH a church (which JWs used to reflexively correct with a long winded explanation)) . I saw a few sketchy anecdotes and still do occasionally. The commonest issue I found as a young person seeking answers was sloppy quotes that in my semi indoctrinated way, I felt were being deliberately misunderstood. Now I see a lot of things that a non JW would not understand the same way as a JW. That's because JWs are indoctrinated. I didn't understand that at that point. I do now.
Most anti JW literature is more sophisticated now, and there aren't so many people who are pissed off and unhinged a bit like in the late 70s.
No one needs to lie. I think apologists like to go after anecdotal stories because they can't be proved, and they love to go after the trinity, thinking that if they can pull them in with one critical issue, they can keep them, destroying the rest of their teaching by attacking general credibility with trinity issue.
the problem is that the world, especially america, is more post-christian. The WT was trying to convert Christians before. Now they are getting folks who don't really care about religion or they actively oppose it altogether. The game has really changed. No one needs to lie. The Truth is easy to access.
i was reading an excerpt from comets memoir and was this quote (seen a lot in regards to trump) but my mind kept going back to wt and the mind f#ck they have going on with jws.
i know i'm not the only one whose mind went straight to the borg.
i hope lots of use have the same connection.
I was reading an excerpt from Comets memoir and was this quote (seen a lot in regards to Trump) but my mind kept going back to WT and the mind f#ck they have going on with JWs. I know I'm not the only one whose mind went straight to the Borg. I hope LOTS of USe have the same connection.
"Interacting with Trump, Comey writes, gave him “flashbacks to my earlier career as a prosecutor against the Mob. The silent circle of assent. The boss in complete control. The loyalty oaths. The us-versus-them worldview. The lying about all things, large and small, in service to some code of loyalty that put the organization above morality and above the truth.”
The result, in Comey’s telling, is “the forest fire that is the Trump presidency.”
Politics aside, whose brain immediately went off the topic of this presidency?
