over on the silentlambs facebook site is a copy of a document that purports to be an order by the service depart to destroy files relating to child molestation cases: https://www.facebook.com/silentlambs/photos/a.571978169529812.1073741826.144752662252367/970409503020008/?type=3&theater.
have any of you seen this?
is this a real document or bogus?.
This is true with the exception of child abuse cases which are retained indefinitely. So records of child abuse is not being destroyed. However getting those records to court is another thing altogether.
Why aren't people getting this? Why is this checklist being used to push the narrative of them trying to cover up child abuse? It's extremely disingenuous and can be used to discredit all other evidence the exJW community has on the subject!
several people have asked if the audit checklist boe/destruction of files/ can be verified.
atlantis said that if the previous information was not enough evidence, then i should send you the boe letter where the watchtower admits to sending out the annual audit inspection checklist.. .. write these down:.
.please see: page 2, number 5. please see: last paragraph on page 3.. please see: page 4 annual audit of files.
"millions of people would agree with you flipper..."
Appeal to Popular Belief - Claiming something is true because many people believe it.
"Are you an attorney cappytan? Come back and talk to me when you are!"
Ad hominem - bypassing the argument by launching an irrelevant attack on the person and not their claim.
Those attorney's certainly don't think the BOE is "over-sensationalizing things"! They consider that BOE as an admission of guilt!
Appeal to Authority - claiming that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.
"The above is your opinion! Others feel quite different than you do!"
Relativist Fallacy - rejecting a claim because of a belief that truth is relative to a person or group.
"The important fact is that the Watchtower is giving elders instructions to destroy evidence. No matter where it is taking place, the Watchtower is still trying to cover-up child abuse and save their butts in court, Period!"
Affirming the Consequent - assuming there's only one explanation for the observation you're making.
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I think leaks are important for the apostate cause. Keep up the good work.
However, the significance of this checklist is being seriously overblown by some apostates. There are many many more documents that are far more incriminating than this checklist. Let's concentrate on those!
For me, the only reason the leak of this checklist has any significance is because someone is inside leaking information that the society wants to remain confidential. That in itself is a victory.
several people have asked if the audit checklist boe/destruction of files/ can be verified.
atlantis said that if the previous information was not enough evidence, then i should send you the boe letter where the watchtower admits to sending out the annual audit inspection checklist.. .. write these down:.
.please see: page 2, number 5. please see: last paragraph on page 3.. please see: page 4 annual audit of files.
How is this an admission of guilt, when the checklist specifically states that things pertaining to child molestation are handled differently?
Jesus Christ, people. Use the rational side of your brain!
It is common practice for elders to purge their personal notes from time to time. My dad did so every year for 30+ years. And you know what? It's probably a good thing he did so too, because I snooped once or twice when I was a kid and saw embarrassing things about others in the congregation that should have remained private.
This whole non-story reminds me of Fox News making a big deal out of what Michelle Obama ate for breakfast or something.
Also, "millions of people" agree with flipper? I seriously doubt this document has been downloaded or viewed more than 100,000 times.
Perhaps you meant that millions of people would agree with Flipper?
i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.
this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.
gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.
i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.
this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.
gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.
Show me a Man that can Hurt Another Man, without any Remorse EVER and I will show you a Man that cannot Love EVER.
It's almost as if LAWHFol has never heard of serial killers and nazis.
several people have asked if the audit checklist boe/destruction of files/ can be verified.
atlantis said that if the previous information was not enough evidence, then i should send you the boe letter where the watchtower admits to sending out the annual audit inspection checklist.. .. write these down:.
.please see: page 2, number 5. please see: last paragraph on page 3.. please see: page 4 annual audit of files.
Does it matter WHERE? The important fact is that the Watchtower is giving elders instructions to destroy evidence. No matter where it is taking place, the Watchtower is still trying to cover-up child abuse and save their butts in court, Period!
I'm pretty sure they're required to destroy these notes by the Data Protection Act. Child Abuse evidence is handled with the blue envelopes and is exempt from these rules, if I recall from another thread.
Let's not over-sensationalize things for the sake of controversy. There is plenty of other evidence that the society tries to cover things up. At worst, this document is a thin thread of evidence of ill intent and lurkers may see this and ignore the rest of the evidence because of the overreaction on our part.
Lets deal with hard, tangible evidence...like the ARC evidence. It's a waste of time to blow this document out of proportion when the support for it having anything to do with child abuse is tenuous.
i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.
this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.
gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.
When we hurt another person, we feel bad. - We shouldn't hurt people.
When we lie to another person, we feel wrong - We Shouldn't Lie.
When we overindulge in mostly anything, we feel bad - We should practice moderation.
When we impose our Beliefs on another person, that person doesn't like being around us - We shouldn't impose our view on others.
All that we need to know, we already know.. We just need to Slow Down, and quiet our minds.
Who is "we"? I know people that hurt other people and don't feel bad. I know people that lie to other people and don't feel bad. I know people that overindulge in things and don't give a flying f*ck. I know people that impose their beliefs on other people, and some of those other people let it happen and enjoy it. I know people that need to know more than what they already know.
So again, I ask, who is this "we" you're talking about? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
over on the silentlambs facebook site is a copy of a document that purports to be an order by the service depart to destroy files relating to child molestation cases: https://www.facebook.com/silentlambs/photos/a.571978169529812.1073741826.144752662252367/970409503020008/?type=3&theater.
have any of you seen this?
is this a real document or bogus?.
This document was posted on this forum days ago and there is a good thread explaining that it was only for the UK and instituted in 2000 to comply with the Data Protection Act. Abuse files are handled separately and not destroyed and sealed in blue envelopes. Personal notes on abuse cases can be kept in that envelope. Read the thread, it brings clarity and focus as to what genuine issues may be, not a panic that all documents regarding child sex abuse are being destroyed.
This is so true.
The overreaction and sensationalization of this document is embarrassing.
there are number of nobel laureates and other great scientists in both the camps defending their respective theories of evolution and creation, which means both are just stories, and both suffer from having no eye-witnesses.
if either of them were true, all scientists would have accepted it unanimously as they do with rest of the laws such as law of gravity..
this does not mean that there is no god.
this guy, dale standridge, was the coordinator of the body of elders in the eureka east congregation in humboltd county california.
http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2015/11/100000-bail-for-dale-standbridge.html?m=1.
it's not getting a lot of play in the press for some reason.
