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  Lurkers: A truth is either true, or it isn't. There is no in between.

  by cappytan in

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  truth is absolute.

  there is no such thing as 2=1 or 1=2.. if one starts out with the equation 2=1, one has already failed.. truth = truth.

  you cannot change whether something is truth or not.. when the organization teaches one thing as a truth (ex.

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  Truth is not absolute...

  How is truth not absolute? Something is either true or false. There is no evidence for in between.
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  Lurkers: A truth is either true, or it isn't. There is no in between.

  by cappytan in

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  truth is absolute.

  there is no such thing as 2=1 or 1=2.. if one starts out with the equation 2=1, one has already failed.. truth = truth.

  you cannot change whether something is truth or not.. when the organization teaches one thing as a truth (ex.

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  Truth is absolute. There is no such thing as 2=1 or 1=2.

  If one starts out with the equation 2=1, one has already failed.

  Truth = Truth. You cannot change whether something is truth or not.
  

  When the organization teaches one thing as a truth (ex. 144,000 are the Faithful and Discreet Slave) and then changes their position on that (ex. only Governing Body are the Faithful and Discreet Slave), what have they done to **truth**?
  

  They have muddied it's meaning. They have become enemies of what truth is.
  

  This is why it makes you uncomfortable when friends or family might decide to leave the organization or become "apostate." That discomfort you're feeling is called cognitive dissonance. It's because you no longer have a full grasp on what is true and you are trying to rely on others to tell you what is true.
  

  If someone you relied on for truth came along and said, "Lurker, x used to be true, but now we're saying x isn't true, but y is true, and you must accept this because we have the authority to say this," you are going to experience discomfort.
  

  The discomfort you feel is because deep down, you know that they and by extension **you** might be wrong, but you don't want to accept that fact.
  

  Stop trying to fit the Governing Body's doctrine into the realm of truth.

  Don't make "the truth" your own, learn what TRUTH is on your own, and then apply it.
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  Ex JW's - Which Christian denomination are you with now and why?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
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  this is a question for ex jw's who have joined another christian faith group.

  the purpose of my question iis to find out which christian faith group you chose after leaving watchtower and what convinced you to travel this new spiritual path you are on.

  i am interested to know because i personally would like to find a genuine faith group where i can feel true christian liberty as i initially thought i had with the witnesses.

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  dubstepped: "...intelligent discussions on here of any type of faith..."

  Intelligent discussions of any type of faith should include the skeptics. Otherwise, it's just an echo chamber and isn't really "intelligent" after all.

  If you feel you have some special insight or proof for your faith, you should speak up and share it with us. Please share it with me. I would renounce atheism in a heartbeat if you can show me solid evidence.

  I WANT to believe. Wanting to believe is what led me on a deep search for existential truth in the scriptures. The evidence I have examined on both sides of the issue is overwhelmingly in favor of the fact that the God of the Bible is false and kind of a dick.

  Why are believers so afraid to examine evidence? If their version of the truth is true, wouldn't the evidence in favor of their version be overwhelming instead of the opposite? And what makes a Christian's version of existential truth more "provable" than a Muslim's version? They both claim the same "evidence." "[insert holy book name] has never changed since it was written! It's been preserved! It obviously has God's/Allah's backing!"

  Now, on the other hand, if your faith is about you just wanting a social club and to talk about fantastical metaphysics, that's a different story. Religion and faith are perfect for bringing people together to discuss nonsense. Magic the Gathering and D&D RPG clubs also bring people together to discuss nonsense. The only difference is that the latter know the difference between reality and fairytale, and they don't use the mythology of the stories to dictate morals or condemn others' actions.
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  Time to Spill my Guts

  by Hadriel in

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  been lurking around here for several weeks.

  posted once or twice but not too much.

  i'm a covert fade at the moment.

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  Welcome!

  I'm so happy you are awake and you were able to wake up your family.

  On the beliefs front, take your time. Go where the evidence leads you.

  Research how the bible came together to begin with. Council of Nicea, etc.

  Also, research the evidence that evolutionary biologists point to.

  Try to objectively examine both sides of the equation.

  The evidence will lead you to truth and freedom.
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  Reasons for Stagnation in Growth. AKA YearBook Numbers!

  by ttdtt in

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  so why has the growth flatlined?

  why is less time spent in the ministry?

  why have aux pios droped by 1/3rd?.

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  Simon: You brought up the Shakers.

  You know, if the JW's are relegated to Shaker status, I would call that a victory for the cause. Even if they are still technically "around."
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  JWBaptism Blog Retaken (By a JW)

  by JWB in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwbaptism blog retaken (by a jw).

  the blog from which the article www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/241890/1/jw-baptism was taken was closed down by the blogger in the early part of 2012. however, it seems to have recently been claimed by what appears to be the son of a father whose story was featured on the original blog.

  please visit this site to see the tirade against 'apostates' in true cult-personality style.

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  Interesting development on Reddit
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  Another conversation with my father

  by joe134cd in

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  this is a conversation i had with my father when a short article on the pope came up on tv.. joe= you know i think this pope will do good things for the catholic church.

  he's trying to get greater financial transparency not only for his organisation but also for religious institutions in general.

  i mean the guy even chooses to drive around in a very modest car to save a dollar.. father= true.

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  It's sad, isn't it?
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  When does it end? My marriage is 90% great for the most part, except when it come to this cult

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  i know marriage is tough and it takes work on both parts.

  we have been together for 27 years.

  the last eight have been involved with this cult.

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  Whatever you do, don't ask Nathan Natas for marriage advice. 😂😜
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  De muslim rebels are try to enforce Islam on my family and de village.

  by Ogwambi-Odoki in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my name is ogwambi odoki, but my friends dey call me og.

  i live in a village in rural uganda near the city of gulu.

  my family has been jehovah witnesses for two genorations since de first missionaries came to de village many moons ago.

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  De watchtower elders are try to enforce JWism on my family and de village.
  My name is Indigo Montoya, but my friends dey call me Iggy. I live in a village in urban US in the state of Florida. My family has left the Jehovah witnesses after two or three overlapping genorations since de first missionaries came to de ancestors many moons ago. I do not no what to do at de moment, I love my freedom and de village, but de watchtower elders are closing in on us and our people. dey threaten us with de committee and de shunning if we do not convert to de JWism. I am scared but I am brave Florida man and I will never surrender my faith to dees invaders. de leader of de watchtower elders is a man named COBE Bryant, he is fearce and dangerous man who says dat de Faders are worse dan de normal ones who leave and has promised de shunning of us unless we will come back. Thee government will not help us, as dey are corrupted by de philosophy of religious tolerance. I am asking that you think of us and our fight as I lead my family against de invaders and also for any advise on what I should do?Oh, and is it okay if I direct you to my gofundme account? Your involuntary donations would be much appreciated.
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  CO visit; going to meeting.

  by SG098 in

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  2. experiences

  hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

  my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

  - i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

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  Definitely record all the CO talks.