Posts by will-be-apostate

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Old Testament's God Is Not The God of Love - How Do You Prove it?

by will-be-apostate in

i was having a discussion with a brother about the following topic: if psalms says.

" the lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.

" (new international version).

will-be-apostate

Thank you guys for your replies. I found this video on, it is related to the subject being discussed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-hGFMBpbI

There are lots of other videos on that channel that are worth seeing.

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Old Testament's God Is Not The God of Love - How Do You Prove it?

by will-be-apostate in

i was having a discussion with a brother about the following topic: if psalms says.

" the lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.

" (new international version).

will-be-apostate

Uh, that's a lot of pages. I'm on the 5th page now. Thank you for the link. There are some very useful reasonings in that thread.

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Disfellowshipped Memorial partakers

by JustVisting in

just wondering if the attendants are instructed not to "count" known df'd memorial partakers.

who sincerely partake of the emblems, considering the unsettling increase in partakers of late.. just asking.

will-be-apostate

RubaDub, that is hilarious. What is the biblical account to back up that, if I may ask?

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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

by WatchTower87 in

2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.

pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

will-be-apostate

Stupid question: Why do they tell the elders to destroy the letter that was sent in 2009?

The December 7, 2009, letter to all congregations should be removed from the congregation permanent file of policy letters and be destroyed.

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Old Testament's God Is Not The God of Love - How Do You Prove it?

by will-be-apostate in

i was having a discussion with a brother about the following topic: if psalms says.

" the lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.

" (new international version).

Old Testament's God Is Not The God of Love - How Do You Prove it?

by will-be-apostate in

i was having a discussion with a brother about the following topic: if psalms says.

" the lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.

" (new international version).

will-be-apostate

I was having a discussion with a brother about the following topic: If Psalms says

" The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion." (New International Version)

shouldn't we apply the same principle to the Old Testament, as it's clear that is full with violence, adultery, and all sorts of things we are not supposed to read or watch otherwise.

I also told him about Richard Dawkins' opinion on the OT God which summerizes up my thoughts on the subject pretty well.

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.Basically what I want is answers, proofs that I could present him, because he said we would continue the debate in the near future.

You all know the jw defense mechanism and how they have got answers for any questions and backdoors. I'll apprciate your help. Here are his main points:

The tribes from canaan were wicked beyond measure therefore they deserved to be massacred. Wasn't this a rightfull act?
If we grab out specific details from the context surely Dawkins' opinion reflects the truth. Then he called him - based on the same principle - "superficial, arrogant, full with prejudices, lacking logical competence and plagiarizes because he steals other's view on the subject.
Why would such a cruel god spare anyone?

And his final argument:

The Bible is written the way it is so that those without deep interest to understand it won't understand its real meanig.

I think there is a slight possiblity that he'll tell about me to the elders. His words are the poorest arguments I've evere seen; I only mentioned them because I want you to see the whole picture. I know that a lot of you have much more experience in debates like this then I have.

So, how do you prove that the Old Testament's God is not the god of love?

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Disfellowshipped Memorial partakers

by JustVisting in

just wondering if the attendants are instructed not to "count" known df'd memorial partakers.

who sincerely partake of the emblems, considering the unsettling increase in partakers of late.. just asking.

will-be-apostate

Oubliette:

What words of the OP made you say: "The question implicit in the OP demands belief in the unbelievable." Could you elaborate please because this makes no sense whatsoever.

"The one thing you got right is the INCREASE of partakers" . Hmm..there was litarelly no fact presented in the OP beside the increase of partekers. What could he possibly got not right?

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Memorial talk fact checking - a story

by 88JM in

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friends

this was in the memorial talk here last night, used as an illustration i guess.. i think there is some direction to use an experience like this in the outline, but the story that the speaker told (presented as fact) sounds totally bogus to me, or at best urban legend.. does anyone know if this is actually true?

here is the story the speaker told:.

"some years ago there was a tragic train accident in england, and sadly some lost their lives.

will-be-apostate

What's that smell? I smell bullshit here. Anyway, the last night's memorial talk was the lamest one I've ever heard. 10% Jesus, 90% Jehovah; not that I'm a christian or something but isn't it supposed to be about Jesus?

I googled "england train accident sacrafice". There are several stories like the one you mentioned, I mean they are stories with the same moral, any of them could be used as an illustration for Jesus' sacrifice.

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How many did NOT get invited to the Memorial?

by Ding in

i didn't.. i must really be wicked....

will-be-apostate

You know you're stuck in this cult when you don't get invited but still attend the memorial.

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Why are we not seeing more posts on Cosmos? Im surprised! Believers, what do you think!?

by Jon Preston in

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friends

i want to see and hear peoples views on what we have seen.

i, personally, think it has been fantastic.

i hear many complain its not informative enough or its sugar coated or whatever but i think its brilliant for the mere fact that its dumbed down for us lamen folk...my wife still doesnt get some of it and i agree...but that, for me, shows how comex real life is....its not easy as many religionists believe.....

will-be-apostate

I'm so sad I missed this conversation, maybe I can join now. Last time it was a lot of fun. I love the show because it explains things in details and gives insight about the historical background for different theories and concepts. Sure, it is not gonna help me to get my BSc but still I see it as a very productive way of recreation; I'm entertained but also learning something new. I wish I had professors in my college like Neil Tyson or whoever writes the script for the episodes.

Viviane, coursera.org is indeed an awesome website. I watched a few nanotechnology lectures a few months ago xD