being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
Shaneliza & Babykins,
Hang in there! and be thankful their attitudes are not rubbing off on your children. I know that it doesn't make it any easier and that there will always be an empty space unless things change.
Remember When under the influence of Drugs, Alcohol & even Religion sometimes a person doesn't fully know what they are doing. That in no way excuses any actions it just may change them.
just to get it started... now you have to add on to finish it.. **************************.
the rage inside me to the quick it burns.
to who or what it was directed, i could not discern.. .
Just to get it started... Now you have to add on to finish it.
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The rage inside me to the quick it burns.
To who or what it was directed, I could not discern.
When then...I realized the WBTS I give it adue.
For all that it takes and wants, left an empty shell of one, I once I knew.
For the illusion wears off and the promises denied.
As "new light" comes forth the light began to fade.
I woke up from the dream all tormented and torn, for it was the wrong one, to whom I had served.
Sleep I will find, peaceful assured, For the revelations of the watchtower I find completely absurd.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
dedalus,
A big congratulations on becoming a father.
I was LMAO when I read your contract. Have you ever thought of becoming a lawyer? Be sure you save this post. The WBTS may see this as "new light" and have us sign these like they do the blood cards. You can use this post as proof of copyright infringements. LOL!
But in the real world, I see parents withdrawing love over theological differences
keep us posted!
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
RealElder,
Thanks for getting back to this so quickly.
I wish I could speak with your mother and find out why she has not, at the very least, kept in contact with her grandchildren.You must have me mixed up with Shaneliza, not to worry it is hard to keep everyone straight.
But, I am
a reasonable, thoughtful person,LOL! (just a little humor to lightened the mood)
back to our conversation.....
I don't know how long you have been "out" but things are changing in this regard (but not in print)!
I wouldn't say that I was "out" but very borderline and very confused. You say things are changing in what way? I am pretty much up to date and feel more coldness from the org. as a whole than ever before. If things are not put into print then how is the avg. person going to know of the changes?
[I can understand "New Light" if it's in learning deeper thing about a subject.] This is a big problem for me as well, but not so big that I can't get past the fact that no other religion even comes close to exlaining the bible to me in a way that seems to make sense. I have studied other religions and what they teach and the "truth" still makes the most sense.
I have never studied any other religion. I don't plan to. I am starting to wonder at this point is religion really the answer to the question. One can have a religion but if they don't come into a personal relationship with Jehovah and appreciation for Jesus ransom, religion will get them no where.
My whole life I have been trying to serve Jehovah by way of an org. something was lost in doing so. I was trying to find a relationship through a mediator, not Jesus but the WBTS. It was like in the back of my mind it was them that really had to be pleased (meeting attendance, field service reports, prepare for every meeting, ) Always do more, do more, and always feeling like no matter how hard I tried it was never enough.
The main focus was always for the org. Yes, it was suppose to be for Jehovah but, the org. are the one's we turn our time into. Yet, Jehovah already knows what we are doing. That is what counts. All in the name of serving Jehovah in an organized fashion? Then why if your time reports weren't up to what they feel you can do, you are weak? Sure they say don't compare yourself with anyone else. But the one's up on the platform doing a demonstration for field service are not the one's with low service reports. Why? because they are not considered an example for the cong. yet all have different circumstances.
There are so many that live a double life. Have you ever stopped and wondered why? Maybe it is because Jehovah is not real to many because they serve only an org.
Another thing that has always bothered me is that years ago I heard that if a person read apostate material (like Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz) that 95-98% would leave the org. Why do you think that is so? If we have the Truth then it should stand on it's own.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
slipnslidemaster,
Your not alone, I agree with every thing you said, pets and all.
In fact, now that I think about it maybe that is how the org. expects us to act. Like a dog to it's master complete subjection no matter how a pet is treated.
No matter how bad it can be mistreated, when loyal, they always come back for more.
What they didn't expect is that one day... the loyalty wears thin and they jump up and bite you in the ass, (teeth showing) Ruff, Ruff WBTS
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
RealElder,
Thank you for your reply.
I need some time to reply to you,
I fully understand your time issue with all responsibilities that go with being an elder.
if I could leave you with one thought; don't give up on Jehovah and don't feel that if you are not associating with JW's you are going to be singled out for punishment by Him. There are a lot of us (elders too), that feel this way and are convinced we have a loving God that judges us by our heart condition.
I think you are the very first JW that has ever said that to me. something I have felt for along time.
It has always been brought to my attention that you can't have one without the other. I look forward to your
replies to my questions as I feel that others on this DB are too.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
waiting for answers
i can't believe i don't know this!
obviously i was never really good jw material.
why is it watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, but watchtower bible and tract society of new york?.
expatbrit,
you must have been a better one then me, I never noticed.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
to the top for reply from RealElder.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
RealElder,
How about giving me a chance to learn and improve my skills as a shepard? It is only by honest and open communication (granted, not something completed embraced by the Society) that any of us in leadership positions can learn what we need to do to improve the condition so many of our congregations are in.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I do believe that there are some really honest hearted individuals in the org. I believe that some of the JW's are sincere I hope you are one of those. So let's communicate.
Here are some of my problems:
We are suppose to have the true faith. When most people say or think the name Jehovah what is the first thing that pops into their head?
Not Jehovah God, but Jehovah's Witnesses. Let's face it. Many people look at the religion as a bunch of crackpots.
They cut their families off if they don't become Witnesses themselves. Why? because they are considered bad association. We are told to honor our parents. I was only able to honor 50 % of that. The 50% that held the name of a Jehovah's Witness. I was unable to build a relationship with the non-believer, my father. Do you know how hard is it to develop a relationship with Jehovah (a father we can't physically see) when you haven't even been able to develop one with your biological father?
We are told to go and make disciples. I find that hard to do . Why? How can I go out and tell people that I have a wonderful brotherhood that I would like them to be a part of that is full of love and acceptance. How can I do that if I don't even feel that myself? I have attended 3 kingdom halls and not once have I felt that I fit. If I go and invite other people they come to the hall, they are mistreated (it will only be a matter of time) I will be a hypocrite I have now set them up to fall.. I love people. I love talking to people but you have to be comfortable in what you talk about. So now that I have a hard time going out in service I am considered weak in my faith. It is not my faith in Jehovah that is weak RealElder it is in those who are suppose to represent him. Does that now make me an apostate?
I can understand "New Light" if it's in learning deeper thing about a subject. I can't understand how the meaning of something can do a 180 degree turn. (Jehovah didn't lead the Israelites through the Red Sea and then change the direction half way through ) If the FDS is really directed by Jehovah why are there so many changes? How about the one's that have lost their lives before the changes were revised? Do we just chalk that up to the fact that they past their test of endurance? If we do that how do we explain the new light to those that were related to that person that were not Witnesses. One year organ transplants were a definite no, then a matter of conscience. How do you think those that were affected that were not Witnesses are going to view Jehovah? After all he is the one telling the FDS what will be acceptable and what won't? Are they going to be able to open their eyes to him?
Well, here is a start I look forward to hearing from you. Here is your chance to prove you aren't tipping the bs meter.
