jesus christ said these telling words.
and he supplemented them by also saying that his followers would be persecuted as he was persecuted.
jesus's disciples were persecuted in the first century by a bitter wave of roman persecution.
Here be the persecution non has in mind.
People are lying about jws and exaggerating their flaws. And there are people in this place who show hatred of God by their actions. They blaspheme God's name and act immorally. But the persecution I is talking about relates to exaggerating flaws and lying about God's people.
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
Bye Dutchie
craw$$$the gov body has credentials, but i don't recognize them?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!.....are they invisible, having to be "EXPLAINED" by the gov body?????...hahahahahaha.....did moses and elijah have to "EXPLAIN" their miracles, you know, to make sure everyone could tell it was a "miracle"???????$$$
Some did not recognize Moses and Elijah's miracles either. They paid dearly for there mistake.
$$$there are worse things then not living forever, like not living the life you have.....$$$
You have no idea what you saying.
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
$$$"what Bible you reading? The Bill Bowen version?"
oooh baby, you sure like to throw Bill Bowen's name around alot, you got a "thing" for him or something?$$$
Non got a thing for him alright. But non be too polite to talk such stuff in public.
$$$and what if I do use his version? if it's good enough for YOU to live according to some man's literature, it's good enough for me......$$$
And if we both wrong--we both goin' down. But non don't go by no man's literature. He stick by the bible.
$$$hi non,
i noticed you didn't address the fact that the gov body claims to be the 2 prophets in the 11 chapter of revelation.......WITH NO CREDENTIALS.......KIND OF LIKE KORAH.......HAHAHAHAHA$$$
The governing body got credentials. You just have not recognized, bro.
$$$Non, I have just as much right to declare myself a faithful and discreet slave as the watchtower does.$$$
You can declare it all day long. That don't make it so.
$$$Truthfully, I think I brought it up because the watchtower takes this one scripture in Matthew and because it helps their dogma, applies to it themselves.$$$
You misunderstood the wt application of matthew 24:45. Too proud to admit a mistake?
$$$The scripture is speaking in the singular, but of course that is not good enough for the watchtower. They say that it is really referring to a class.$$$
A class is singular. Classes is plural.
$$$And because that said it, its true, huh?$$$
No.
$$$So that have really twisted the hell out of this scripture and now it applies to a class of people who incude the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.$$$
Omitting the part about "twisting" I think you finally understand the wt understanding of matthew 24:45. Congratulations!
jesus christ said these telling words.
and he supplemented them by also saying that his followers would be persecuted as he was persecuted.
jesus's disciples were persecuted in the first century by a bitter wave of roman persecution.
$$$If someone disagrees with the Watchtower Society, is that hating God?$$$
Not necessarily.
$$$Now, if someone criticizes the Watchtower Society, is that persecution?$$$
Not necessarily.
$$$Buddy, if you think speaking against JWs and WTs is persecution, you don't know CRAP about what persecution is about. Have you been thrown to jail for your beliefs? Has your KH being closed down by Police Order? Do you meet with other JWs in secret?$$$
When non talks about persecution, he is not talking about people just criticizing the wts.
$$$If I criticize you and the WTS, that's not persecution.$$$
It could be.
$$$That's Freedom of Speech and I have as much God-given right as you to express my views.$$$
You also will render an account for how you used your freedom of speech. That will be between you and God.
$$$How about this, why don't you allow your JW friends and relatives express critical opinions toward the WatchTower Society?$$$
Maybe they do not want to express critical views. Even if they did, if their criticisms were valid and done in the right way, I would tell them to have at it.
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
$$$Non, it is also true that you can be the best person in the world. Never drink, never fornicate, never do any evil thing and if you don't go from door to door then you aren't going to be saved.$$$
What is wrong with going from door to door? Let say that a Christian's heart is brimming over with what she knows about God and Christ. Did not the Bible say that the mouth speaks from the heart's abundance? If you really feel something in your heart, do you keep it to yourself? Plus it is supposed to be a life-saving message.
$$$As the the Faithful and Discreet Slave, you can be right if you want to be. It doesn't really matter to me who they are.$$$
If it does not matter--why did you bring it up?
$$$I just bet that this slave is not connected to the watchtower society in any way. Just because they say it does, does not make it so. In fact, I think I am the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Yeah. Why not? Yep, that's what I am. But I'm not selfish. You can be the Faithful Slave too, Non. In fact, we can call it a class so that it can include more people. Hey, lets round some people up and we can make them part of our class too? Whaddaya say?$$$
You misunderstood what jw believe about the fds. Admit that you were wrong. And we do not need a bunch of faithful slave classes running around. One is enough.
$$$ya, korah rebelled against moses, the "appointed by god", with "visible credentials" (miracles)......leader of israel.$$$
Tell that to SYN and ARoarer, non already knows it.
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
$$$Well, Non, surely you realize that the reason you no longer "sell" the literature is not because of altruistic reasons, but because the WTBTS was advised by the lawyers who run the organization that if they accepted money at the doors, they would have to pay taxes on that money. So now we just accept "contributions" for the "world wide preachinhg work." Slick, huh?$$$
Non does not even ask for contributions. He received free and he gives free. So you know not what you say about non. He is altruistic.
$$$Despite what you may preach, Non, the main message to be conveyed at the door has always been the same. If you don't become a Jehovah's Witnesses and go from door to door "giving away" literature, you are going to die at Armegeddon. Period. All that other stuff you say is just window dressing leading up to the big "A" warning.$$$
One can go from door to door all he want. It don't mean he going to get life. You have misunderstood what jw say, if you believe that bunk. What about being ethical, moral and obeying the comamnds of God? You can preach all day but if you fornicate or get drunk day in and out, you ain't gonna git life.
$$$Don't forget Non, when you get your magazines you make a "contribution" for them, so the watchtower has their money. I guess they don't really care what you do with them after that. If you can get "contributions" from the householder that's okay, but if not, well, just as long as they get paid...$$$
I would love to see how the wt makes all this money off of magazines like the wt and ak. You people just do not know what time it is.
And are you gonna admit you wrong about the jw understanding of the fds. Jws do not think that fds is governing body. You misunderstood, missy.
jesus christ said these telling words.
and he supplemented them by also saying that his followers would be persecuted as he was persecuted.
jesus's disciples were persecuted in the first century by a bitter wave of roman persecution.
This is non's last reponse to Will. Non does not warm to those who deliberately misrepresent his words.
$$$non
why when someone wants to stick up for what is right, expose deception, lies, cruelty towards God's innocent ones, do you cry foul, persecution against God, when the argument is clearly against men.$$$
Non only cries foul when people lie about the Christian congregation and show hatred for God and his name. Non does not have a problem with legitimate criticisms of God's people.
jesus christ said these telling words.
and he supplemented them by also saying that his followers would be persecuted as he was persecuted.
jesus's disciples were persecuted in the first century by a bitter wave of roman persecution.
$$$
Who wants to make friends with those who hate Jehovah?
So non says it again, the WatchTower Bible & tract society is Jehovah his god.$$$
What? Talk about taking someone's sattement out of context. Non worships Jehovah God and Him alone. Non cannot believe you would misrepresent so blatantly. Is former President Clinton any relation to you?
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
$$$The real "religion" of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society cult is simply to spend as much time as possible in "field service" selling their literature.$$$
Non does not sell literature. He gives it away in fs.
$$$Everything they do is geared to that. Even your spiritual weakness of spiritual strength is judged by how much time you spend in field service. All of your problems will be solved if only you spend even more time in field service. They even have a weekly sales meeting so that you will be more effective selling their literature and seeking more people to recruit into the "publishing" work.$$$
No one is dumb enough to believe that all problems are solved by fs. I do not believe that. But Jesus is the reason I go out in the ministry. He commanded his disciples to make disciples. Even if there was no command in the bible, non would still go from door to door teaching others about God, Christ and grace.
$$$You accuse others of being brainwashed?$$$
Many here are brainwahsed. Not all.
$$$You use Bible scriptures to defend them? Its absolutely pitiful. You believe that the Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave mentioned in the Bible?$$$
No. The fds is all of God's anointed on earth at any given time.
$$$Why do you believe that?$$$
I do not.
some people in this place think that jws break up families.
they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.
what do you think about this charge?.
Christ's law is written in the hearts of christians. but it is also written in the Bible. Grace is not a license to sin. God clearly lays out his commands in the Bible.
