Posts by WireRider

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What happens when we become "God"?

by WireRider in

humans are doing genetic research on enormous scales.

do you want your baby to have brown or blonde hair?

weed out genetic imperfections?

WireRider

Humans are doing genetic research on enormous scales. Do you want your baby to have brown or blonde hair? Weed out genetic imperfections? We have created computers and humanistic robots on an exponential scale. We have cloned life on this planet. We have put vehicles on other planets. We could put people there, send genetic material, or play with the genetics of the indigenous life.

What if they write their own book of Genesis. Humans are their God(s).

Does it expose our own past?

Does every "Church" that claims to be "spokes people" for God get exposed as frauds?

How will we treat the first/next world?

How did the previous treat us? Nurture and leave? Still around?

You can see how close we are to a full circle. The moment we set foot on a new world ...

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Are JW's heading for the exit?

by pandorasbox1914 in

are jw's heading for the exit?

after lurking on this site for a year or so i have noticed a number of new poster's including me.

but does this indicate a massive departure for the exit?

WireRider

Christianity is about 2000 years old. The money-making-infomercial that is the Watchtower is only 100yrs old. The Watchtower has run it's course. Snake oil infomercial peddlers in an barren information age can no longer con people.

The entirety of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a tax dodge by the Watchtower. They are so scared that they will not allow anyone to set foot in a Catholic or Protestant CHURCH. How Biblical or "Jesus like" is that?

The only question is 60% don't want to be there at all but are too cowardly to leave. How will it end?

Russel was certifiable. He was never an ordained minister anywhere. He based false profit revelations of Armageddon on his measurements of pyramids. Russel was the con artist. He was never a "Judge". He had the authority to sign a judges papers in his stead. He lost in every public election he ever ran for.

The Watchtower is nothing more than a tax free real estate company that hides behind a fake construct of Arius's long dead religion that was ended by the Bible., and Catholic hating, religion. Make no mistake - the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses are Ariusists, or if you prefer Ariusism - intentionally proven wrong in the Bible - but yet the WT/JW insist on using a Jewish/Catholic Bible.. If you had millions to loose every year in taxes on Watchtower owned property, hidden behind the fake veil of a religion - what would you do. FREE FREE money from stupid people that just give it to you - what would you do?

It's not that much different than child sexual abuse cover ups. They infest and rape every community by claiming "religious" and tax free as real estate developers. Why am I paying taxes for fire/police/ambulance service for complete fraud organization?

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The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

by Simon in

so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

WireRider

The truly humane thing to do is for the Watchtower to forbid disfellowshiping people.

I honestly believe that half the people would just walk out the door and never go back.

All those people that feel trapped - ONLY go to not break up their family - NOT loose friends. How many of their claimed 8 millions people desperately want out? How many are just afraid the person next to them will "turn them in"

When 7 million walk out without fear of retaliation from the Watchtower - the rest will finally question their belief in False Prophets that are only there to scam their money.

There are true Christian Churches that have been here for 2000 years. They don't require timecards. They don't require service - although it is greatly welcomed for however much time you care to be a part. They don't require your money, but it is welcomed, and they will openly show you were it goes and how it actually helps real people. They don't annoy the hell out of communities by having slaves and their money, going door to door to con other people in to being slaves and a new revenue source (it might be nice if JW went door to door about religion - but that has never been true - the Watchtower is only interested in free slaves recruiting more free slaves and financial resources to drain).

Time cards???? Are you kidding me?

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The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

by Simon in

so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

WireRider

I will go to my grave knowing that people that believe what the Watchtower says is the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life. The biggest scam in history. Stealing money and destroying families. Where is your donated money today? Helping your community or buying stock? For who?

Oh my gosh, I'm an anointed one! We don't die at death!

A) The canonized Bible does have two sections that describe 144,000 - a foundation of WT/JW gross perversion that somehow people believe. THE BIBLE SAYS 144,000 ARE CHOSEN. 12,000 FROM EACH OF THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Are you Jewish? Are you one of the 12 tribes of Israel? I didn't think so.

B) The WT/JW have absolutely no connection with GOD. They don't have any say so what so ever in GODs name. They have no authority at all to say who is chosen or not. What gullible people believe them. Each and everyone of you have exactly the same authority to bless or designate "chosen people" as the highest ever GB or WT or JW.

What scares me is that there are people that have been in the cult for a generation or two. It's not that old. But they genuinely believe the bullshit. They grew up in the bullshit. The creators of the scam are dead - but the brainwashed people will keep going because they don't know the truth - they have never known the truth or the scam. They will fight for it and destroy friends, neighbors, families, siblings, and parents to protect their "rules". Rutherford was a fanatical fan of Hitler for propaganda and mind control. He wrote fan letters to Hitler. The WT/JW is no different that the Hitler Youth program. Free labor - dedicated - labor force - self policing - and FEAR of non-compliance. Sound familiar?

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The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

by Simon in

so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

WireRider

Cold Steel - The Watchtower, and their tax shelter the Jehovah Witnesses, are not Christians. They preach against the divinity of Jesus and rail against Christians in an oddly AnitChrist way that forbids them from even setting foot in a "Church" - or they will burn.

There are many true Christian Churches that would be grateful to welcome you. Christian Churches that have NEVER disfellowshiped anyone ever. Free to come an attend as much as you want or a least as you want. No one narcs on each other for not following "rules". They NEVER destroy families out of an outright sense of insecurity that people may find out the truth and leave. Christianity doesn't work that way. Even fake religions that don't believe in Jesus "we jest act a lot like him" don't work that way. Name for me ONE person Jesus disfellowshipped!

Imagine. Christianity. No Bullshit. No politics. No punishment. Rules are up to your faith.

That's a Church I grew up in.

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The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

by Simon in

so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

WireRider

You can't just publish a Watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible

It would be more responsible than perpetuating a lie

During the centuries of organized religion that humans have had on Earth, has anything close to this ever happened? Not to my knowledge.

What centuries? The Watchtower is only a 100 year old infomercial scam. It is not a centuries old religion in the nature of 2000 Christians, or really in the nature of anything - I think Kraft Mac and Cheese has been around longer than the Watchtower. Russell, who never passed the 7th grade, wanted to debate the word "cross" with the religion of people that actually stood there and watched. And promptly used donation money to vacation on Egypt to claim the absolute end of the World based on his measurements of a Pyramid. After a long weekend of Dungeons and Dragons he promised promised promised scared people that the World would end in 1914. Russell, who never passed the 7th grade, openly preached that everyone, including over 2000 years of Christians, who WERE THERE, were TOO STUPID to understand the Bible without his help and his self self-written set of 7th grader set of encyclopedia manifests. I can't believe people were so stupid to buy "BUY" into his bullshit.

I in no way believe there have ever been 8 million Watchtower zombies. It is a marketing scam. They claim 200,000 followers in some obscure country - who would ever know. They pocket the money and fake numbers. They claim 100s of thousands of people that they already "disfellowshiped" and destroyed their families. They claim infants they they claim to have baptized without consent. I think it is more that there HAVE been 8 million total who every joined - most of which have died off.

Where is the money everyone gives them? Follow the money. Where is it. Prove they are world wide - more than just for show. They don't get involved and help ANY of the communities they infest - tax free. Termites are less offensive in terms of being annoying and financially draining of communities and tax lie squatters.

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Revealing Watchtower tax returns

by Nambo in

please excuse if this has already been posted:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysyqish-l_e.

under the freedom of information act, this guy has tax returns showing where your money goes, where it is invested, companies like northrop gruman, monsanto, cigarette and porn peddlers, and we thought we where giving money to god!

i am quite sickened to discover i was giving money to the watchtower to invest in arms manufacturers..

WireRider

Huh.

For a religion that is only known for it's insistence on Armageddon false prophecy - any day now, any day now, any day now - they sure spend a lot of time and effort bilking people out of money to invest in real estate, stocks, bonds - all forward reaching investment. We say that the world is going to end - but we are making very long term invests that profit us.

Huh?

Why do people give their money to these very proven false prophets? Their "wrath of God" scam should have been over 50 years ago. !914 - world didn't end as as absolutely "scare the hell out of people" promised. "Opps I made a miss measurement at the PYRAMID it will end in 1915".

Rutherford, a completely failed politician, who was NEVER a judge - Preached insanely that the World is going to end tomorrow. Thousands of crazy people sold their houses, donated the money to Rutherford, and lived/preached out of their cars to be more mobile to save peoples "souls" because the World is going to end tomorrow. It was around the Great Depression. Rutherford took the life savings from thousands of people an built himself a mansion in California for $20 Million dollars of your money. A long term investment for a World that he preached will end tomorrow. The WT, and their nothing but a tax shelter JW, have never been more than an infomercial scam to con gullible people out of their money.

And where do the donations go? They make absolutely no effort to help any of the communities the infest. They expect tax free public services (fire/police/hospital) and give nothing in return to the community other than to piss people off by having stupid people go bang on doors for free. Where does the money go??? Tax free real estate investments, tax free purchase, tax free. The greatest fake infomercial of modern times - invented by a 7th grader - high jacked by a fraud.

You have to know that they pay millions to accountants and financial planners to hide the money. I don't believe that any one on this site has the ability to interpret the crumbs they leave. And any stuff they do leak, is carefully planned. They may spend 10% for show - to pretend to help the world. 20% in lawyers, financial planners, and 70% in "investments and profit" for an "tomorrow the world will end - I promise" cult. Make no mistake - they have millions of dollars of your money to cover their ass.

Dis-information is their powerful tool to control you. Mis-direct your efforts and keep you preoccupied. Sitting on a billion dollars - they may be truly stupid and completely narcissistic - but they have enough of your money to hire experts. I know they have people specifically to monitor sites like this and more than one poster here is under the direction of the GB. You would be remiss to think otherwise - you only really know what they want you to know - Sun Tzu.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

WireRider

Ask evolutionists how in about 50,000 years humans seemingly evolved more than the previous 50,000,000 years of normal evolution.

Missing puzzle piece no one can explain.

I believe in both.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

WireRider

I believe in evolution. But. There is a very large unexplained gap in history. Man went from dragging knuckles to upright thinking people. Human knowledge snow balled at an unexplained pace. There was a pivotal point in human evolution that no one can explain. I think there was an intervention of some kind. People in 100BC described handed down stories for generations to the best of their understanding and vocabulary.

It still makes me wonder. Pictures of the solar system have been found in Sumerian ruins that accurately depict the solar system with relative sizes of the planet in correct order. The pictures/carvings were from 10,000 BC. We didn't discover Pluto until about 1950. They knew. Just recently there is growing proof of yet another planet in a very very wide orbit. History talks of of it as Neberu (or close). It was in the Sumerian pictures. How? They new.

I wouldn't necessarily take the Bible very literally. It was a time and place where most couldn't read or right. Stories were passed done by word of mouth for many generations. It's a little bit like listening to a preschooler describe the creation of the world and animals. But there may be some truth behind it.

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Why the Governing Body caught a frightful fright

by Saintbertholdt in

it has been extensively reported on the forum that there has been a marked increase in effort over the past two years by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses to encourage an increase in monetary donations.

this has also been accompanied by the stripping of financial capital from the local congregations.

as has also been reported on this forum, this has in all probability been done to facilitate the financing of the vast new hq building project as well as the financing of the shift from a publishing company to becoming an internet based charismatic multimedia company which produces lame pixar/disney animation knock offs while simultaneously parading the governing body's ever expanding waistlines, blingy accoutrements and stupid grins.. meanwhile the financials of the organization remains as murky as ever.

WireRider

JeffT,

I have only a couple of grad classes in accounting, but I whole fully cede to your accounting knowledge. Granted that fudging income and tax figures is very very wrong and a federal crime - would that stop them?

I think there are a lot of numbers out there. Many that will never be tracked. Would it benefit the WT, in propaganda, to fudge the numbers? Can they? Do they?

Would it help the image of the WT to falsely leak and post false profit gains even though they are not taxed. As an accountant, do you have the knowledge and the ability to scew numbers the way marketing wants you to? Be honest.

This is a company that does not make anything. People just give them money. It is 110% about brand name and public image. IF they were to drop sharply in money, and image, it's over. As a purely brand/image wouldn't they lie about their status to the public/congregations? Wouldn't fudge the numbers and shift a lot around? Wouldn't a millions a year company have teams of accountants (free volunteers) finding ways to move money an numbers beyond what you and I casually look at?