Posts by WireRider

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

WireRider

Granted - but a common theme in a matter of only a few thousand years in the midst of a million years of evolution. Humans really seem to have exploded on to the scene.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

I would like an answer. But in the mean time I am open to your theory. I'm not sure if anyone has proof from why every continent independently had a sudden compulsion to develop a religion around the same time as Christ.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

WireRider

Why did hundreds of independent cultures point up and say "God"? And have an overwhelming compulsion to pay homage and pray and believe is a being greater than us? How did that happen?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

WireRider

Throw the Bible away. It is an ancient antique, full of distorted hand-me-down stories from many generations from isolated areas of the middle east. It was written and assemble by humans that wanted to scare the crap out of people, beat their wives, and keep political/emotional control of herds of humans.

The fact is that for a relatively brief period of human existence, about 10,000 years, virtually every culture on the planet, completely independently, developed a sense of religion of a God - or being - from "up there" - or whatever. That is greater than us. Not from here. Instrumental in the creation/development of humans. How can you explain that? A giant evolution of humans - several hundreds of thousands of years of human development happened almost overnight - and then the whole world of humans is looking to the skies and uniformly develops religion - from beings "up there". For each in their own paradigm and cultural bias and filters. How did that happen?

Science or not. How did that happen?

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More help needed at Warwitch

by DwainBowman in

well when they first started the warwitch project, only the cream of the crop were allowed to go.

they read a letter this week in my area, inviting all brothers in good standing, to go to a special meeting for anyone with building experience.

they must be desperate, to allow the low life plain everyday sheeple's to volunteer!.

WireRider

Can you sue someone for the cost of clean-up if it is free volunteers? I assume someone saw the property and realized how much work it would take to clean out existing structures. Of course I would like to think they had an inspector check the property before closing the deal - but oops.

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More help needed at Warwitch

by DwainBowman in

well when they first started the warwitch project, only the cream of the crop were allowed to go.

they read a letter this week in my area, inviting all brothers in good standing, to go to a special meeting for anyone with building experience.

they must be desperate, to allow the low life plain everyday sheeple's to volunteer!.

WireRider

Wouldn't you have the toxic waste dump cleaned BEFORE you started building? What about the contamination under the buildings they already building? I would never go there for anything. Stay away from the kool-aid.

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More help needed at Warwitch

by DwainBowman in

well when they first started the warwitch project, only the cream of the crop were allowed to go.

they read a letter this week in my area, inviting all brothers in good standing, to go to a special meeting for anyone with building experience.

they must be desperate, to allow the low life plain everyday sheeple's to volunteer!.

WireRider

I am confused. The WT is having 100s of volunteers come to work on a waste dump that is so bad that they are also in the middle of a lawsuit for toxic clean-up. Does anyone see a problem here? Is there a real ethical/moral problem here? Maybe they can't hire anyone because the companies and unions refuse to work in a toxic was dump. Get the JW volunteers to do it, they control them, they're expendable. It's only a little cancer. The lawsuit and clean-up will likely drag out for 10 years or longer.

Laying off thousands on the left and stopping all building, and on the right begging for money and asking for volunteers to work in toxic waste dump bad enough to file suit. The new world wide headquarters of the Watchtower is being built on a toxic waste dump ... that sounds about right. If you ask me it has Jonestown written all over it.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

WireRider

I would strongly advocate addressing the general public as well. Few people even know about the WT/JW and their issues. I would mass overwhelming education to ALL people to bring the WT into the light and let EVERYONE see who they are. You will find great support in all the non-WT non-JW public.

It shocks the hell out of me.

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The Heartbreak of having a brainwashed friend

by Captain Schmideo2 in

jw
friends

so, recently, i made a reconnection with a long lost jw friend.i first met her when i was about 12 or 13, and she was about 10.. she was a lovely young lady, very poised, very intelligent, a cut above the other girls in the hall.

easy to talk to.

i was in love with her.all the boys in the hall loved her.

WireRider

I dated, and fell in love with, a divorced JW. I am divorced. She is about 35.

She said yes. We were engaged for a day. Until her family found out. And then she thanked me for f@%$^ing up her entire like. I don't even know how that happens.

We dated for two years and she kept assuring me the JW was not a problem between us.

We talked on the phone for a while longer, but she seemed to have a real attitude. I would call and she would just say you must be horny and just want sex. I was able to talk her down from the ledge and once again assure her I wanted the whole package. Married and grow old together. Wasn't much help. Between calls she seemed to be getting "instructed" by someone.

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Removal of Tetragrammaton from Early Greek Manuscripts

by jhine in

a while ago i posted on another thread that i had been told by some witnesses that the tetragrammaton had been in the original christian greek scriptures but had been removed when apostacy came into the church .

i did not know where this came from at the time .however while looking something else up i came across this .as i could not find the original thread i have started a new one .here is a quote from nwt reference edition 1984 :-.

" matthew made more than a hundred quotations from the inspired hebrew scriptures.

WireRider

I am confused why the WT/JW is highjacking the Bible. Written and assembled by Catholics that they rail against and hate. They call them apostates - but they use their book.

(To be honest I am really confused as to why events 2015 years ago in a very isolated places in the middle east have permeated the entire world in the form of a religion.)

Around 300 AD there were a dozen or more versions of Christianity sects and at about 100 scrolls, gospels, and testimonials that each group claimed that justified their beliefs to varying degrees. There was a lot of arguments and general unrest. The Roman emperor Constantine declared a very political solution "shut the hell up and pick one". Hence the Council of Nicaea. A few dozen Bishops gathered together to hash out one official Bible. Other councils were held throughout the 300's AD to argue. (mind you, a pagan emperor had the final approval of the Bible)

Arius. Arius was one Catholic Bishop that preached against the Trinity and claimed that Jesus was not God, was not divine, but subservient to God. When he attended the Council, he was not only kicked out, he was banished to the north and it was ordered that ALL of his works be burned. Sore looser, so to speak. He was the one that declared the Catholics as apostates. He actually recanted, pulled some strings, and the emperor ordered that he be allowed to rejoin the Catholic Church. Catholics hated the idea. He died days before his reinstatement.

At the Counsel they picked and choose the cannon. ALL books of the New Testament were carefully chosen to support the Trinity. The New Testament was specifically crafted to all support the Trinity. So I don't understand why the WT/JW uses a book that was created very intentionally assembled to refute Arius.

Charles Russell read about Arius and thought it was a unknown truth - or "neat". He formed his beliefs and religion around Arius, a belief that died out in the 3rd century, and was very specifically kicked out of the Bible. To this day the WT/JW hate Catholics, but they usually don't know why, But they still use there book. Paradox.

Arius was the original JW.