Posts by WireRider

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Should it be called the disfellowshipping arrangement or the shunning arrangement.

by poopie in

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friends

i here jw saying the df arrangement is loveing is the shunning arrangement also loveing?

WireRider

I think one thing for everyone to remember - honestly I do - the Watchtower and their not-for-profit tax shelter of the Jehovah's Witness do not control YOU. Never have. You are, and always have been, free to believe and/or conform to any belief you want. There are no contracts. (I heard a couple - but that is complete BS.)

Their power is over others - to make you feel bad - to get to/at you. You should never let them get to you. Talk to your friends/relatives. If they reject you because of the WT/JW - it is them under control.

I'd call or drop by when ever - not my problem. I am not banned. Not control over me. I have no regard for them The don't control me.

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Should it be called the disfellowshipping arrangement or the shunning arrangement.

by poopie in

jw
friends

i here jw saying the df arrangement is loveing is the shunning arrangement also loveing?

WireRider

I think one is to be harsh and as cruel as can be to someone that does not follow the indoctrination rules. Very bad people.

The other is what they say to internal people to legitimize their actions and force them away from people. To justify their actions and convince others not to talk to them - or they may find out why they left and leave themselves.

As a cult - you cannot allow cult members to every associate with those that leave and find out why.

Cowards.

Hypocrites.

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Correlation decline JW numbers and JW broadcasting?

by Gorbatchov in

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i read some impressive figures here about the decline of the jw numbers in 2015.. could there be a correlation between this decline and the start of jw broadcasting?.

hence, that there would be an negative impact because the gb is standing so nearby, you can experience the idiot reasoning of their doctrines sitting in your own living room?.

the lett effect?

WireRider

How? I desperately ask how?

Weeeeee neeedddd toooo thiiiink abouuuuuut moooooorreee mmmoonneeeeyyy ggoooiiingggg ooooout ttthhhaannnn ccccooooooooooooommmiiinng iiiiiinnnnn.

I really miss the beefed up, steroid pumping, Mr. Rodgers role model. How can any one take any of that serious. Is that what the inside of a KH is like? I have a whole new disrespect for the WT/JW. I just thought I was being an ass. They are pretty f#%$@#%ed up.

He's liking LSD producing frogs.

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Can a baptism be annulled?

by angel.face in

i joined this site about 4 years ago and life was very different to say the least.

i was a jw and started the process of 'waking up' after experiencing life threatening blood loss due to complications of a pregnancy.

i was married with two kids (husband was an ms) and was a stay-at-home mom.

WireRider

Huh? I don't see the WT/JW as a valid church, in practice or in doctrine. Russell was never an ordained minister from any real church. He didn't have any moral authority to baptize or ordain anyone else. He just made it up. Made up a group in his club house.

JW baptism is only as real as you believe it is. There are no binding contracts for anyone. Tell them to take a leap.

Russell's church is based upon Arius (300AD) who was excommunicated from the church, banished to the north, and ordered that all his writings and teachings be burned. (Arius recanted profusely and the local Roman magistrate ordered the church to reinstate him - he died two days before the event. Russell PROMISED the end of the world in 1914 - opps wrong measurements, must be 1915 - God got fed up and just killed him in 1916. .... always a day late.)

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

just shut up WireRider.

I lost track. I am not Jewish. I am not anti Jewish at all. I am not referencing the OT. I was talking about issues with those incorrectly forcing wrong interpretations of the NT. I don't like liers.

Why are you hear if you hate Christians? Or those otherwise falsely claim to be Christians.

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

What I do know is that no one in the Watchtower or the Jehovah's Witness has EVER spoken with God about anything.

I'm sure if God stopped by recently we would see a much different world.

They lie about everything.

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

nicolaou: I believe there are things beyond our understanding. There are things beyond everyone's understanding.

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

And there you go = 2015 Watchtower

I guess when I speak I usually speak of modern day Christianity, and not so much Biblical written word. Modern culture does bring forward a base in foundation of the Bible, but in conventional ways.

I do still take issue with false prophets as a clear, and very simple, definition.

If you lied - you lied. If you claim to speak to God, and for God, you lied.

Why do people still believe anything the they say?

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

Very very untrue, The Bible does not teach hate, control, brainwashing, and a world owned by a few humans - lying about God for personal control and cash. I find the comparison offensive.

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Why do people follow demonstrably False Prophets?

by WireRider in

why does everyone just turn a blind eye to the false teachings of the watchtower?

the bible warns us many times and in many ways not to follow false prophets - including the lake of fire.

fundamentally why do the followers of the watchtower just ignore the very bible they claim to live by?.

WireRider

My question is very fundamental. The Bible condemns false prophets. If you claim to speak to, or for, God and claim events in his name, and those events do not take place, they are a false prophet. How do people read that and still believe in the Watchtower.

Russell guaranteed the world would end in 1914. (based upon his recent travel to Egypt (pictures online) and measurements of the great pyramid - not because of anything in the Bible) Opps - didn't happen.

He apologized that his measurements were a little off - and promised the world would end in the next year, 1915.

God got fed up and killed Russell in 1916. (he had to let 1915 expire completely just to rub it in that Russell was a lier.)

They have always been false prophets. Why do people refuse the Bible and still follow the Watchtower? Many many false claims followed.