Posts by WireRider

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Removal of Tetragrammaton from Early Greek Manuscripts

by jhine in

a while ago i posted on another thread that i had been told by some witnesses that the tetragrammaton had been in the original christian greek scriptures but had been removed when apostacy came into the church .

i did not know where this came from at the time .however while looking something else up i came across this .as i could not find the original thread i have started a new one .here is a quote from nwt reference edition 1984 :-.

" matthew made more than a hundred quotations from the inspired hebrew scriptures.

WireRider

I am confused why the WT/JW is highjacking the Bible. Written and assembled by Catholics that they rail against and hate. They call them apostates - but they use their book.

(To be honest I am really confused as to why events 2015 years ago in a very isolated places in the middle east have permeated the entire world in the form of a religion.)

Around 300 AD there were a dozen or more versions of Christianity sects and at about 100 scrolls, gospels, and testimonials that each group claimed that justified their beliefs to varying degrees. There was a lot of arguments and general unrest. The Roman emperor Constantine declared a very political solution "shut the hell up and pick one". Hence the Council of Nicaea. A few dozen Bishops gathered together to hash out one official Bible. Other councils were held throughout the 300's AD to argue. (mind you, a pagan emperor had the final approval of the Bible)

Arius. Arius was one Catholic Bishop that preached against the Trinity and claimed that Jesus was not God, was not divine, but subservient to God. When he attended the Council, he was not only kicked out, he was banished to the north and it was ordered that ALL of his works be burned. Sore looser, so to speak. He was the one that declared the Catholics as apostates. He actually recanted, pulled some strings, and the emperor ordered that he be allowed to rejoin the Catholic Church. Catholics hated the idea. He died days before his reinstatement.

At the Counsel they picked and choose the cannon. ALL books of the New Testament were carefully chosen to support the Trinity. The New Testament was specifically crafted to all support the Trinity. So I don't understand why the WT/JW uses a book that was created very intentionally assembled to refute Arius.

Charles Russell read about Arius and thought it was a unknown truth - or "neat". He formed his beliefs and religion around Arius, a belief that died out in the 3rd century, and was very specifically kicked out of the Bible. To this day the WT/JW hate Catholics, but they usually don't know why, But they still use there book. Paradox.

Arius was the original JW.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

WireRider

Would it make sense to send a letter/post-card/email to everyone, JW and non-JW, to raise overall awareness? A couple of years ago I had no idea what the WT/JW is. Also to inoculate the non-JW public and overall pressure to force the WT/JW to change. What if the WHOLE world was made aware of the practices of the WT.

I'm sure you could get a lot of support from millions of never-a-JW people. Like me here. Christians love causes to help/save/free people from tyranny and oppressions - especially from broke groups that use religion to control/manipulate people. If all found out how they break up families - the support could be overwhelming. I read these posts and I am shocked about what I have found and want to help great injustices. Bring world-wide attention to this.

I do like the fund raising campaign for the billboard. Everyone can see it. Perhaps contact a few of those mass mailers of junk mail we get. They may even be supportive and process everything at cost and use their mailing lists.

A bit of levity - but you could promote a sign up do-not-knock list that is regularly sent to the WT. A mass sign of how many people specifically reject their practices. Or realistically a petition signed (even digital online) by everyone to force change. Shine a light on the WT and expose them to everyone.

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Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

by thedepressedsoul in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

the topic above got me thinking.

everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

WireRider

Organize. Momentum. Consistency. Not a war, an alternative, a change. Freedom.

I started sending letters a few days ago:

Jehovah’s Witnesses
25 Columbia Heights

BROOKLYN NY 11201-2483

The organizations practice of propaganda false statements and emotional manipulations and family destruction are entirely reprehensible and have NO part of any religion. Free the people and let them come and go as they please. Emotional torture and critical oversight of behavior by the WT/JW Natzi Gestapo is condemned by every Christian organization and by God.

False prophets will no longer be tolerated. You will be called out and recognized for who you are. Bible et all: False prophets who lie about speaking in God's name will be cast into the lake of fire. If a person claims to speak in the name of God, and those events do not happen - is a false prophet who shall die. Or did you miss that part?

I put my name and address all over them.

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Someone please tell me there is a JW Survivor help line

by WireRider in

who can jw survivors call for help?

experienced survivors?

anyone?

WireRider

Thank you all.

you don't live in fear of being "exposed"

That bothers me greatly. For anyone. That people should have to live in such a fear in a free country. In fear of humans and a human organization that holds emotional hostages.

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Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

by thedepressedsoul in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

the topic above got me thinking.

everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

WireRider

All good points. And good ideas.

The WT uses overwhelming propaganda. I don't think it's wrong to interject a better message into the system to disrupt the cycle. One anonymous person is annoying. A million causes changes. As I have said the goal is not to annihilate the WT but fix it - enough so that people can feel free and liberated and at least no more CONTROL.

It has to start somewhere. Pair up - mail bomb each others areas. Even the staunchest have to given in to overwhelming opinion. But best to target message to the basic people - like they do.

The helpline is a good idea. You can say dial *67 555-555-5555 to block caller ID and remain anonymous.

When exactly did the WT loose religion and become a real estate company with captive/trapped labor to build properties for them?

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Area Man Forced Into Jehovah's Witness Protection Program

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvagg49bpm.

WireRider

That is hysterical

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Someone please tell me there is a JW Survivor help line

by WireRider in

who can jw survivors call for help?

experienced survivors?

anyone?

WireRider

Who can JW Survivors call for help? experienced survivors? anyone?

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Why don't you do anything?

by WireRider in

i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

WireRider

Dunedain

Bless

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Why don't you do anything?

by WireRider in

i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

WireRider

Thanks

Saintbertholdt

My aim is not to destroy the Watchtower but to allow freedom. “Part of the beauty of this world is that there are so many diverse opinions” – YES. The Watchtower does not allow that. They are prohibited from either looking at apostate sites or claim they are liars.

“so when one leaves one can research the Watchtower organization from a billion different angles” – absolutely – once they are free – free to exist – free to live – free to make their own choices – and most importantly feel free not to get “caught”.

I think we are one the same relative page. I don’t advocate necessarily a successor, but I do think it takes a community effort to gather enough resources to some significance as to challenge the Watchtower for the people that want a way out. It is heart tearing to hear all the “I want out” – but they have my family.

“This website has been around for 16 years”. “Help I can’t get out – they have my family”. 16 years?

“There have been tens of thousands of members over the past decade and a half”. My point.

This is NOT as it should be, for anyone. Why do people have to languish for years waiting to be free to believe what they want? Why do so many hate going to church because they have to. “As it should be?” No.

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Why don't you do anything?

by WireRider in

i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

WireRider

The Watchtower and the Jehovah Witness's are a cult.

They have taken a basis of religion, adopted an orthodox Catholic Bible they hate (long story) and used it to control and manipulate people and destroy families that stray outside their lines.

Am I close?

My thought in this discussion is with the torment caused by one group for their human goals. Survivor is a terrible term. A person is better. But in the midst we have to realize that there are, right now, people and child who are currently going through the same issues.

I am not a JW survivor. I'll be honest.

I have met people that have gone through it, and people that are going through it right now. It is not anarchy.

I hope that some day you can share your experience with people a few steps behind you and help them with next steps.

i think we do best, with a supportive group, and individual attention to specific issues.

I hope you share your experiences with others needing help and understanding