Posts by WireRider

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Candace Conti

by Pubsinger in

so we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.

but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?

protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?

WireRider

The "Agreement" is binding between both parties. The WT likely agree to pay more than expected, and pay for all here legal expenses. When an individual, or small company, goes after someone that big, they can just wear you down and make it run out for years. I'm sure she and her lawyers were acutely aware of this, and made her an offer to end it. I'm sure her lawyers were getting buried in costs and had to asses the risks in court or wait for years to see if they ever get paid.

The agreement probably has a provision that if she ever discloses ANYTHING about the matters/case it may void the binding agreement and she would have to forfeit any financial consideration (payoff money). It was done very intentionally to prevent her from being a witness is any other case they are worried about.

I think it's safe to say that she did not request the non-disclosure clause. The public can say that the WT paid her off - to keep her mount shut - and cannot ever testify. Rock and a hard place. She can be called to testify or held in contempt. But if she does, the binding agreement is separate. She would have to give the money back and left with HUGE legal bills to pay on her own.

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Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

by username in

i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

will i be a human hot dog now?.....

this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

WireRider

Perhaps in part. But I do think it is more about total control. It alienates kids from their friends. They feel ostracized. Of course it is planed that way for kids.

My family gathers often to celebrate holidays and each other. We stopped about twenty years ago with the whole merry-go-round of the gift giving thing. No money really. No gifts required. Big meals and we socialize. Of course we all gotta eat - so that's a breakeven cost - or even less expensive in a group. Most religions do not require gatherings to be approved/sanctioned by a Church.

My daughter is now 18. For the last many years, her birthday wish is to spend it with extended family - everyone. My family doesn't even know what shunning is.

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Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

by username in

i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

will i be a human hot dog now?.....

this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

WireRider

"Special days" and celebration are not evil. I can't decide weather to use the analogy of "forcing people to wear blinders" or "a 100 year whack-a-mole game". Just make WT/JW from mixing with real people. Beat them down - don't allow anything that may wake them up. Same with going to any Christian Church. Control, control, control. No outside truth. No outside truth. Make them feel guilty. Punish, punish.

The way I understand there were two notable figures in the Bible that were beheaded on their birthdays. Must be bad.

It was explained to me by a witness that no one should be raised up over others, even if is only one day. Then I look around and see the hypocritical hierarchy were ever one of them is proclaimed to be always above others.

My born-in-JW friend told me that her Mother always made her feel special and secretly do things for her Birthday. That's were the train left the tracks for me. God would know that she celebrates her birthday secretly every year with her JW mother. So the truth is she does it in secret so "humans will not find out and punish them". That's just wrong. Even "God" didn't tell them, and I thought God and the GB were on a first name basis. Why do they have to spy on people and terrorize people into submission? Why let a big hierarchical structure of humans terrorize people to just hold the "sales force" "and volunteer free workers" together?

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Huckabee: The US Is More Evil Than The Rest Of The World

by ctrwtf in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/spnxx52oesa .

mike huckabee thinks that sin and evil, not guns, are the reason the us has so many mass shootings.. if this is true, then all things being equal, the us has more evil and sinful people than the rest of the world.

who's to blame for that?

WireRider

"I would ask everybody to attack the gunman because he can only shoot one of us at a time. That way, we don't all wind up dead," he told ABC News while chuckling on Tuesday.

Taken very much out of context. Twisted. Carson never said "I would ask everyone to ...".

The gunman went around the room one by one and anyone who said they were Christian was shot in the head, and those who didn't were shot in the leg. One by one. They were all going to get shot. The original question to Carson, that raised all the media attention, was what would he do in that situation. What they were really asking was if he were there what would he have said? They were asking if he would have proudly said Christian, or would he betray his faith and say no.

Carson stated his opinion. If he were in that situation, he wouldn't wait around for his turn to die. He said he would rush the guy and yell "attack!" "I may get shot, but he can't kill all of us." He was right - it was something like 5-10 people vs. 1. Fewer people would have died. If you are going to get shot any way, why not?

Every situation is different. Look at the passengers on 9/11 that brought down the plane to save countless lives. They knew either way that they were going to die, but still rallied together to try.

They only thing he stated is an opinion of what he would do in that situation. He never suggested, or recommend, that others do it.

News crews stopped him on the street getting into his car a day or two later, and held up a handmade sign "I am Christian". Some reported asked him a really loaded question. He did chuckle will getting into car, but it had nothing to do with the shootings. He chuckled at the way that some knot head asked the question.

Jeb's statement was a little odd, but taken completely out of context. His point, as he continued, is that things do happen and people should not make knee-jerk reactions. Tragedies should never be politicized for political/personal gain. Most the people in Oregon don't want Obama to come this weekend because of what he said, to exploit the loss of family and friends. The only reason Obama is going to Oregon is to try and make up for what he said on TV before the bodies were all remove. Chicago has had 216 homicides in the first half of 2015 - Obama's adopted hometown. Why isn't he flying to Chicago every week to console families?

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Huckabee: The US Is More Evil Than The Rest Of The World

by ctrwtf in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/spnxx52oesa .

mike huckabee thinks that sin and evil, not guns, are the reason the us has so many mass shootings.. if this is true, then all things being equal, the us has more evil and sinful people than the rest of the world.

who's to blame for that?

WireRider

Just a thought. For anyone found guilty of felony involving a gun, the sentence should be automatically doubled or add +5 or +10yrs. That's a gun law that would appeal to everyone, except the bad guy caucus, but they never vote anyway. It targets bad people specifically and doesn't impinge on good people's rights and self protection.

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Huckabee: The US Is More Evil Than The Rest Of The World

by ctrwtf in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/spnxx52oesa .

mike huckabee thinks that sin and evil, not guns, are the reason the us has so many mass shootings.. if this is true, then all things being equal, the us has more evil and sinful people than the rest of the world.

who's to blame for that?

WireRider

I don't know if I can speak about the Evil part.

This has been all over news for the week. If they increase regulation or ban guns, good guys will not have guns. The bad guys will still be getting more. Black market. Many drugs are illegal, but they they cannot stop those. Bad guys are bad guys because they don't follow the laws. What would more regulation or banning do?

If I were a burglar I would really think twice about breaking into a house, or store, because they may shoot me. Conceal and carry has been winning over more states. The crime rates are dropping, not going up. A couple of armed teachers or a security guard would have made a huge difference. He would know there are good guns around the schools and think twice. If he were to have been shot sooner it would have saved lies. I'm not sure two bullets are the cure for schizophrenia (take two and call me in the morning) - but it helps. Many more people would be alive today and many families would not have to suffer the loss. Good people deserve protection.

I like Huckabee. As a presidential candidate I was worried the he, as gentleman and former minister, would not have the guts to order the military to attack. Watched talk show a few times. He very sternly stated into the camera - "If you break into my house and threaten my family - I will introduce you to two of my friends ... SMITH AND WESSON!"

Take Chicago for example. Some of strongest gun laws in the country. Their murder rates are through the roof. On an average day, more Americans are killed in Chicago that all the US military in the middle east. (which Obama completely ignores. Even on US soil he will not us the military, in this case the National Guard, to have a presence in Chicago. Some 15-20 people were shot last weekend - about average.) God forbid someone would take away good people guns. More regulation has had no effect on bad guys. The gangs are not getting the guns legally now - nor would they have a problem getting them even if they banned them all together.

Breaking new - "last weekend a helicopter when down killing 5 marines - and in Chicago (alone) 17 people were killed". I hear it all the time.

The crime rates went down in conceal and carry areas. The news pointed out that after Australia banned guns, the crime rate soared. Imagine the celebration of bad guys knowing people they harm cannot shoot back. Break into any house, if they see you, just leave. Mug someone - you won't get shot by anyone. Crimes rates would surge so high in the US.

Granted sensible rules do apply. Keep your gun in a safe place and away from children. Good idea to keep guns and bullets in separate places. For several years now they have been developing finger print readers built into the gun. Only when the registered owner grip the gun will it shoot.

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Stargate SG1: False Gods, False Religion

by JWchange in

has anyone watched this scifi series?

has it helped anyone wake up to ttatt?

i woke up many years ago, however this incredible series reinforces my beliefs about religion.

WireRider

I liked the original movie - Stargate. Maybe that's what happened to the Aztecs or Mayans when they vanished.

Not impossible.

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Are logos evil?

by goddidit in

i have a vague memory of jws having some objection to logos of some kind in the past, which might be a contradiction to the recent addition of the jw.org logo.. please can someone enlighten me on what their stance used to be regarding logos?.

WireRider

I always thought it was hypocritical. I think all of Russell's books used a logo of the "winged sun". A direct symbol for the Egyptian symbol for the pagan god Ra.

Pictures of his tombstone says "The Laodicean Messenger" ??

Had to google: Laodicean (halfhearted toward religion)

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Warwick news

by Rattigan350 in

http://www.warwickadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20151001/news01/151009998/warwick-seeks-amendment-to-town-code.

supervisor michael sweeton also sought a resolution to reduce the performance bond from pledged collateral account control agreement with the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. from $22.6 million to $7.3 million and to authorize the release the difference to the organization.the watchtower bible and tract society jehovahs witnesses world headquarters is advancing in its new construction.

the 45-acre development site on the tuxedo-warwick border, in sterling forest, is set to be completed by the end of 2016.the motion passed..

WireRider

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T12JJLVTOVOC2NH33

Many links on Google: Warwick Watchtower contamination

I like this:

JW.org:
A Witness closely involved with these aspects of the project says, “Even though doing so will require additional planning and time, we are committed to protecting the ecosystem at the Warwick site.”

So they buy land that had a metals foundry dumping tons of chemical byproducts for 20 some years, many of which were illegally dumped for years. And a "research" division. Who knows what they were dumping.

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Warwick news

by Rattigan350 in

http://www.warwickadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20151001/news01/151009998/warwick-seeks-amendment-to-town-code.

supervisor michael sweeton also sought a resolution to reduce the performance bond from pledged collateral account control agreement with the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. from $22.6 million to $7.3 million and to authorize the release the difference to the organization.the watchtower bible and tract society jehovahs witnesses world headquarters is advancing in its new construction.

the 45-acre development site on the tuxedo-warwick border, in sterling forest, is set to be completed by the end of 2016.the motion passed..

WireRider

They could never sell that property now without an extensive environmental clean-up.

My question is what knothead would buy this property, knowing who owned it and what it was used for, and didn't bother to have it tested. I don't care "how contaminated" it is - I certainly wouldn't be working there, and I sure as hell would not live there, bathe, eat or drink anything. Who needs Kool-Aid, they have pre-contaminated ground and ground water. Even at a low dose can make people sick with extended exposure. I have heard people say it is a luxury retirement resort. :) Good place.

Think the lawsuits are adding up now? Wait a few years. Bringing in all kinds of volunteers to work on a property that at the same time they are screaming in court that the property is so contaminated they are demanding that the previous owner pay for cleanup? Are they using local water for concrete and other building needs. Hosing down floors before tile?

They should have postponed building until AFTER it was cleaned, and AFTER they knew how much it costs.

My house isn't that big, but I had it tested. Maybe the GB missed that on their conference call with God. Or maybe God just has a hell of a sense of humor - and a way to kill off false prophets who build their World Takeover Headquarters on a waste dump.

If they have to pay to have chemical remediation, the lawsuit to try to recover money could be 10yrs, if ever? No amount of contamination that requires professional remediation is acceptable. The article I read was that is was made an illegal practice be the EPA years before the previous company stopped. Why was the practice of dumping byproduct chemicals outlawed? What idiot bought this property unchecked?