Posts by WireRider

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What's with all the pyramids??

by Crazyguy in

the number of pyramids in the world just keep going up and up.

an egyptoligist thinks using satellite scanning technology he has found the remnants of another 17 pyramids in the egypt.

in central and south american they keep finding more pyramids and in java a couple of years ago they surmised that the riuns their was actually a step pyramid possible the oldest in the world.

WireRider

A lot of factors there.

1) Why were they built? They aren't a house or office building. They are very large for what and for who?

2) The precision of the stone blocks is unfathomable at that age of our understanding of human development. World class construction companies have said they would not even attempt to create such a building today. Some sites with 1000 ton blocks. And for what/who? How did they achieve such precision with out our modern day machines???

3) Why did cultures all over the world independently develop such similarities with now way to communication with each other at all? No, it was not a planet wide pyramid competitions - you'd think so, but no.

It really goes beyond they all did that own their own. There is a true black-out period around 0 BC/AD or BCE/CE where science and technology had a complete reset and started from scratch. Today no one can prove what the great pyramid is or how it was built. Sumerians documented Pluto 10,000 years ago - we just found it about 1930ish. How is it explained?

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"The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed"

by nicolaou in

presidential hopeful ben carson of course.

this isn't another gun control debate, i just thought it might be fun to have a topic where we can dump all the hysterical quotes from the candidates.. it's a deep and plentiful mine folks!

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WireRider

If every witness in Germany had voted against the Nazi party, it's very unlikely Hitler would have ever been able to accomplish what he did.

How many witnesses were in Nazi Germany? Rutherford was sending Hitler fan mail.

In an attempt to appease Hitler, Rutherford instigated a Declaration of Facts and sent a Letter to Hitler discussing the Watchtower's support of the Nazi regime.

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What's with all the pyramids??

by Crazyguy in

the number of pyramids in the world just keep going up and up.

an egyptoligist thinks using satellite scanning technology he has found the remnants of another 17 pyramids in the egypt.

in central and south american they keep finding more pyramids and in java a couple of years ago they surmised that the riuns their was actually a step pyramid possible the oldest in the world.

WireRider

That's the $10,000 question.

Plus a buried pyramid in Scotland. There are hills in China that when seen from the air are square as if they hid them under dirt - but people, especially foreigners, are forbidden to go there. Try Angkor Wat in Cambodia. Egypt. Mexico. South America. Pumapunku in Bolivia. All cultures that would have no way to communicate, or travel, with each other have distinct similarities. Some uncovered ruins in Sumeria about 10,000 years old that have tablets of our solar system, including all proportionately sized planets in correct orbits. Even Pluto - that we didn't discover until about 1930.

Look at the Giza Plateau, the pyramids are not quite in a straight line - a little bent, when the building and orientations are so exacting. It matches the same exactly with the layout of Teotihuacan in Mexico - a little bent, exactly the same way.

Try watching "Ancient Aliens". I think you can google it for reruns. Really fascinating stuff. Good scenery. But I would not put too much stock in their conclusions - they have been debunked a lot for over reaching, and some lies. Still interesting to see - draw your own conclusions.

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WT opinion about anointed Christians

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

jesus said "look to the fruits" of real christians.. it is unbelievable that the wt says that new anointed christians are merely false.

how can humans decide who is anointed and who's not?.

how can the watchtower society say these unchristian statements?

WireRider

I never under stood that. The Bible very clearly spells it out. 144,000. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Are there a lot of Israel descendants, or Jews, in the WT/JW? The Bible says it very clearly.

I don't recall it saying from any particular religion - just a very specific group by race and region. Why did Russell claim it just means a bunch of people? Can someone explain that to me?

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Candace Conti

by Pubsinger in

so we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.

but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?

protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?

WireRider

She did win. But the appeal already reduced the award significantly. This case was obviously still in appeal litigation. The WT could draw it out for years. Or there was no need for a settlement.

I think it can be a real blueprint for future cases.

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Candace Conti

by Pubsinger in

so we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.

but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?

protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?

WireRider

It's really too much to ask of anyone. (with a lot of legal advice and planning) If it were me, I would leak enough of the settlement details, until it pisses off the WT. Wait until they take me to court. Put the whole case and settlement online. The WT would have to provide a copy of the settlement to the Judge as evidence. Lawyers get to question both sides - now into public record.

Find a way to loose/hide the settlement money. I would claim to have put it all into KH box donations. I guess they don't keep track. Ha - subpena all their accounting records to prove it.

If I loose and I am ordered to repay the money - file for bankruptcy. Off the hook. (this is the reverse of how little people can get back at big corps).

Wait for the dust settle while I write a book about the whole experience. Sexual abuses. The cult. Include all the public records and transcripts and a full copy of the settlement agreement.

They can't take you to court for the same thing twice as it has already been ruled upon.

Retire on the royalties.

I would be pleased to see a complete expose book in my local book store. Probably a lot of sales to the Protestant and Catholic too, perhaps just out of curiosity. It would be great exposure.

Non-disclosure court settlements invariably start "with no admission of guilt ... we will payout 5 million" Uh huh. By the WT paying out, it validates the whole case.

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Candace Conti

by Pubsinger in

so we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.

but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?

protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?

WireRider

The simple answer: They can't.

The courts are by definition, and necessity, have to be impartial. They can not support either side.

What probably happened is that her lawyer met with their lawyers. They hashed out an offer. Her lawyers, probably deep in the red, realistically, advised her to take the offer or this can go on buried in paperwork for years - if any settlement at all, ever. She was probably going to have to appear in court every couple of weeks for years. I've been there. It is very personally/emotional exhausting. They count on that too.

They both agreed to terms. They write a one page court order mutually requesting that the case be dismissed. Judge asks if they both agree - if yes, it is over in the court. Nothing that the judge or courts can do about it. The court never even gets a copy of the settlement documents.

The WT is well aware that everything in court is a matter of public record. All transcripts, and filed papers, can be requested by a FOIA (freedom of information act) request by anyone. They did not want more in the records - and her shut up.. So they probably paid extra to silence the case.

It happens everyday. Individuals vs. big insurance companies. Pay a little extra "hush" money - hide all the details so they don't look bad, and no one can use the case in the future cases. Sworn statements in a court case can be used as evidence in other cases. Big technology companies steel patents from small ones because they have more money and can outlast small companies.

Once two parties reach a settlement they request to drop the cases. The settlement can really include anything. Most Judges know what's going on, but there is nothing they can do about it.

I hate it too. But you can reliably say that she obviously was paid off to sweep it under the rug.

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Candace Conti

by Pubsinger in

so we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.

but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?

protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?

WireRider

The "Agreement" is binding between both parties. The WT likely agree to pay more than expected, and pay for all here legal expenses. When an individual, or small company, goes after someone that big, they can just wear you down and make it run out for years. I'm sure she and her lawyers were acutely aware of this, and made her an offer to end it. I'm sure her lawyers were getting buried in costs and had to asses the risks in court or wait for years to see if they ever get paid.

The agreement probably has a provision that if she ever discloses ANYTHING about the matters/case it may void the binding agreement and she would have to forfeit any financial consideration (payoff money). It was done very intentionally to prevent her from being a witness is any other case they are worried about.

I think it's safe to say that she did not request the non-disclosure clause. The public can say that the WT paid her off - to keep her mount shut - and cannot ever testify. Rock and a hard place. She can be called to testify or held in contempt. But if she does, the binding agreement is separate. She would have to give the money back and left with HUGE legal bills to pay on her own.

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Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

by username in

i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

will i be a human hot dog now?.....

this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

WireRider

Perhaps in part. But I do think it is more about total control. It alienates kids from their friends. They feel ostracized. Of course it is planed that way for kids.

My family gathers often to celebrate holidays and each other. We stopped about twenty years ago with the whole merry-go-round of the gift giving thing. No money really. No gifts required. Big meals and we socialize. Of course we all gotta eat - so that's a breakeven cost - or even less expensive in a group. Most religions do not require gatherings to be approved/sanctioned by a Church.

My daughter is now 18. For the last many years, her birthday wish is to spend it with extended family - everyone. My family doesn't even know what shunning is.

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Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

by username in

i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

will i be a human hot dog now?.....

this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

WireRider

"Special days" and celebration are not evil. I can't decide weather to use the analogy of "forcing people to wear blinders" or "a 100 year whack-a-mole game". Just make WT/JW from mixing with real people. Beat them down - don't allow anything that may wake them up. Same with going to any Christian Church. Control, control, control. No outside truth. No outside truth. Make them feel guilty. Punish, punish.

The way I understand there were two notable figures in the Bible that were beheaded on their birthdays. Must be bad.

It was explained to me by a witness that no one should be raised up over others, even if is only one day. Then I look around and see the hypocritical hierarchy were ever one of them is proclaimed to be always above others.

My born-in-JW friend told me that her Mother always made her feel special and secretly do things for her Birthday. That's were the train left the tracks for me. God would know that she celebrates her birthday secretly every year with her JW mother. So the truth is she does it in secret so "humans will not find out and punish them". That's just wrong. Even "God" didn't tell them, and I thought God and the GB were on a first name basis. Why do they have to spy on people and terrorize people into submission? Why let a big hierarchical structure of humans terrorize people to just hold the "sales force" "and volunteer free workers" together?