In what world did Russell have any business to publish such crap as the made up "Studies in the Scriptures"?? He was so wrong. He plagiarized the works of Arius that was kicked out of Christianity in 320 AD. Russell was a fraud. Russell was never ordained by any Church. The entire Watchtower is a fraud. NO ONE in the Watchtower has ever been an ordained minister - they would spontaneous combust. They can't even set foot in a Church. The Watchtower sold their soles a long time ago to create the cult.
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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?
by WireRider inand i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.
he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.
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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?
by WireRider inand i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.
he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.
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Thank's for everyone's input. To catch up:
nicolaou
How does one fail a degree in theology?! Seriously, I'd like to know.
See Arius and Russellalesin
My grandfather had his degree in theology, and he was an elder. He is the only one I ever knew. (He became a JW for my grandmother, they married later in life, around 30 YO, so he was an Anglican minister when he met her.)That I respect
Witness 007
Yes but he was a pyramid expert...the measurements related to the end of the world in 1918!Pyramid expert? Charles Russell took donated money and traveled to Egypt. He based his entire belief on his measurements of the pyramid that the world was absolutely going to end in 1914. Opps. He then stated that his measurements had been off and the real year was 1915 that the world would positively end in 1915. God was just laughing at him and had to let 1915 stretch out to really embarrass him. No end of the world. God killed the false prophet in 1916 for being a pagan ass. -
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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?
by WireRider inand i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.
he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.
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I was just thinking that a crazy really messed up religion that has always hated education and real Christian Churches must be made up of the really devoted ones - the ones that hate education and Christians. So what does that leave? An org of stupid uneducated people that can't understand the Bible. Sounds like a group that will loose money hand-over-fist and bankrupt themselves.
And people give them their money - ha?
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What if moving the world headquarters of the Watchtower is just a cover-up?
by WireRider inwhat better way to scam a few hundred million off the top?
with all the conversations, and truly distractions, of shortfalls and money problems - sell off about 1.2 billion of highly valued, tax exempt, property in brooklyn ny and build an ehhh 500 million property upstate.
what happened to the missing 700 million?
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The money question...
by Tornintwo ini am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.
whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.
yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.
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The money question...
by Tornintwo ini am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.
whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.
yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.
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I know this has posted before, but can't a non-profit be audited? If nothing else to check their status as a non-profit as not-prophets?
Fund raiser? Auditor?
Their non-profit status should certainly be revoked. They are a blight on society.
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Theocratic Ministry School cancelled. Why?
by the girl next door inis it possible this aspect of the meeting was cancelled so that jws would not be categorized as a "school" where in many areas elders and ministerial servants would have to submit to a background check by secular authorities?
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Funny.
The Watchtower has never had a Theocratic Ministry School.
Russell and the Watchtower are followers of Arius. Excommunicated from the Catholic Church in 320 AD. Ordered that he be excommunicated, banished, and all his works to be burned. The New Testament is very specifically a collection of books that refute his teachings. The Bible is in fact exactly opposite of everything Arius and the Watchtower ever taught. The Bible is the opposite of the Watchtower - by plan an design.
How would they have a school of Theology? The Bible forbid them and all false prophets. They are not even allowed to use the Bible - they were excommunicated in 320 AD.
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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?
by WireRider inand i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.
he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.
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And I don't mean that stupid made up shit Russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago. He never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the Bible without him.
Who do you follow and pore money into the Watchtower?
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The Watchtower are humans
by WireRider inthe watchtower are humans.
they have never had any conversation with any god, let alone one by a made up name.
they never had any power at all bestowed upon them.
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I guess what I am saying is that the Watchtower are humans. Humans only.
There is no golden calf - no anointed - an certainly no anthropomorphism. The Watchtower are humans.
NO rights to re-define a Bible. NO rights to "disfellowship" anyone from any Church.
Their beliefs are really Satanic. They keep people out of real Churches. They enslave people to make money for them and recruit new slaves like door-to-door salesmen.
The Watchtower is only humans. NO contact with God. And they threat people like shit at their whim.
Why do people listen to them???????
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What if moving the world headquarters of the Watchtower is just a cover-up?
by WireRider inwhat better way to scam a few hundred million off the top?
with all the conversations, and truly distractions, of shortfalls and money problems - sell off about 1.2 billion of highly valued, tax exempt, property in brooklyn ny and build an ehhh 500 million property upstate.
what happened to the missing 700 million?
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cough cough choke choke. You just give them your hard earned money? Why?
Why? Are they building homes for the homeless? Are they feeding the poor around the world? They won't even pay taxes for their own fire/police/cityservices/general in their communities. They stole all the savings of KHs.
Why do you give them money?