Posts by WireRider

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What would happen if you started calling jw's "sheep" rather than brother or sister?

by purrpurr in

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following on from the excellent thread started by open mind.... rather than calling the cult members brother smith etc what about calling them "sheep smith".

sheep jones?.

sheep morris the third?.

Anyone here from the San Diego or Las Vegas area - personal request

by WireRider in

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i would like to send a message to someone the watchtower has blocked for over a year.

send me a personal message.. i am not sure where she is now.

i just want to say i care and i'm still here and the offer still stands - no matter what the watchtower says..

WireRider

I would like to send a message to someone the Watchtower has blocked for over a year. Send me a personal message.

I am not sure where she is now. I just want to say I care and I'm still here and the offer still stands - no matter what the Watchtower says.

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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?

by WireRider in

and i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.

he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.

rebel8 - I agree. I think ministers should UNDERSTAND the book they are teaching others. I don't think just plagiarism of Arius works in any way. The Bible is what it is - human understanding of a certain point in time. I respect it as a guideline - but I never respect it as a rule book.

Theology is probably closer in nature to philosophy than pure Bible study.

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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?

by WireRider in

and i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.

he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.

WireRider

In what world did Russell have any business to publish such crap as the made up "Studies in the Scriptures"?? He was so wrong. He plagiarized the works of Arius that was kicked out of Christianity in 320 AD. Russell was a fraud. Russell was never ordained by any Church. The entire Watchtower is a fraud. NO ONE in the Watchtower has ever been an ordained minister - they would spontaneous combust. They can't even set foot in a Church. The Watchtower sold their soles a long time ago to create the cult.

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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?

by WireRider in

and i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.

he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.

WireRider

Thank's for everyone's input. To catch up:

nicolaou
How does one fail a degree in theology?! Seriously, I'd like to know.

See Arius and Russell

alesin
My grandfather had his degree in theology, and he was an elder. He is the only one I ever knew. (He became a JW for my grandmother, they married later in life, around 30 YO, so he was an Anglican minister when he met her.)

That I respect

Witness 007
Yes but he was a pyramid expert...the measurements related to the end of the world in 1918!

Pyramid expert? Charles Russell took donated money and traveled to Egypt. He based his entire belief on his measurements of the pyramid that the world was absolutely going to end in 1914. Opps. He then stated that his measurements had been off and the real year was 1915 that the world would positively end in 1915. God was just laughing at him and had to let 1915 stretch out to really embarrass him. No end of the world. God killed the false prophet in 1916 for being a pagan ass.

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Is ANYONE in charge a real ordained minister? College degrees? Seminary? A real Theological degree?

by WireRider in

and i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.

he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.

WireRider

I was just thinking that a crazy really messed up religion that has always hated education and real Christian Churches must be made up of the really devoted ones - the ones that hate education and Christians. So what does that leave? An org of stupid uneducated people that can't understand the Bible. Sounds like a group that will loose money hand-over-fist and bankrupt themselves.

And people give them their money - ha?

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What if moving the world headquarters of the Watchtower is just a cover-up?

by WireRider in

what better way to scam a few hundred million off the top?

with all the conversations, and truly distractions, of shortfalls and money problems - sell off about 1.2 billion of highly valued, tax exempt, property in brooklyn ny and build an ehhh 500 million property upstate.

what happened to the missing 700 million?

WireRider

10%? HFS. Why are you just giving this company 10% of your income? What the hell do they do with it?

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The money question...

by Tornintwo in

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friends

i am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.

whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.

yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.

WireRider

Why do I have to pay extra taxes for their water, fire department, police services?

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The money question...

by Tornintwo in

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friends

i am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.

whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.

yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.

WireRider

I know this has posted before, but can't a non-profit be audited? If nothing else to check their status as a non-profit as not-prophets?

Fund raiser? Auditor?

Their non-profit status should certainly be revoked. They are a blight on society.

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Theocratic Ministry School cancelled. Why?

by the girl next door in

is it possible this aspect of the meeting was cancelled so that jws would not be categorized as a "school" where in many areas elders and ministerial servants would have to submit to a background check by secular authorities?

WireRider

Funny.

The Watchtower has never had a Theocratic Ministry School.

Russell and the Watchtower are followers of Arius. Excommunicated from the Catholic Church in 320 AD. Ordered that he be excommunicated, banished, and all his works to be burned. The New Testament is very specifically a collection of books that refute his teachings. The Bible is in fact exactly opposite of everything Arius and the Watchtower ever taught. The Bible is the opposite of the Watchtower - by plan an design.

How would they have a school of Theology? The Bible forbid them and all false prophets. They are not even allowed to use the Bible - they were excommunicated in 320 AD.