Posts by 3rdgen

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California Supreme Court Case - S226656

by Gayle in

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http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

started 5/27/2015.

3rdgen

Doubting Bro

Judge Judy says, "If something doesn't make sense it isn't true. (or you don't have all the facts) If we ask ourselves WHO would originate policies that not only protect pedophiles but actually PROMOTE them to positions of authority. We have the answer. The same person/s who made the policy that a JW wife was not scripturally free if her husband committed a homosexual act with someone else. The one/s who liked to have nude Bible discussions with younger men in the sauna at Bethel. The one/s who were accused of using their authority and trust to engage in sexual acts with children and teens.

Look closely at the ones who formed the beliefs doctrines and policies of the group. Look at their attitude about women and children.

At this point in time the GB.2 MAY be different in nature than the founders but they are too PROUD to change and admit the foundation they sit on (sexually speaking) was not as it appeared on the outside.

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Ideas how to answer a jw friend

by Daniel1555 in

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i faded completely (no kh visits or field service).. just recently a close friend from the kh wrote:.

"dear daniel.

it's a pity that we don't see you anymore at the kingdom hall.

3rdgen

Dear close friend.

It is kind of you to let me know that I am in your thoughts. You have always shown yourself to be a true and loving friend. I realize you are sad because I am no longer at the Kingdom Hall and worry about my salvation.

I want to ease your mind, if I can, by saying that I am happy and confident about my future so not to worry. As far as I'm concerned we will always be friends.

Fondly, Daniel

If you want you can invite her to lunch as well. Through the ball in her court if you want but stay off the topic of religion- period!

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Which Steve Hassan book?

by Tornintwo in

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can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.

3rdgen

I have read the 1st and 3rd. I too, prefer the first. Reading this book helps you to forgive yourself and others for being duped into the cult. It also helps you over feeling like an idiot.

S Hassen is no dope. Reading about the circumstances surrounding his conversion to Moonies is a real eye-opener.

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Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

by minimus in

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if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

3rdgen

Good one Marina!

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How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?

by Tazemanian-devil in

i was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.

if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.

how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?

3rdgen

Brand new, "It must be nice"

It depends on the shrewdness and the temperament of the CO and (don't forget) his wife. For example, I have a cousin who was in the circuit work with her husband. She ended up becoming an alcoholic and having a nervous breakdown. The pressure to act a certain way, dress a certain way, not being allowed to have children, having no permanent home, having very little alone time, having to be "up" and keep their schedule is very hard on those who require "down time". It broke her.

In a 10 year period 2 of the CO's wives in just our circuit came down with cancer. I believe it was stress related.The Circuit and District work is not easy for many and the humble, honest ones are the most at risk.

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Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

by minimus in

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friends

if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

3rdgen

Mr Flip, Your 2 cents is worth more than gold to people whose hearts and souls have been crushed by the WTBT$. You were the first person on the board who reached out to us. Now you and Mrs Flipper are genuine friends. And since then we have met dozens more great ex JWs who I respect more than any we knew when we were "in".

This site is the vehicle that gets the doubters, the brokenhearted, the pissed off, on the road to freedom of mind leading to a whole new and better life.

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A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

by FusionTheism in

a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

3rdgen

a watcher, "The WTS has many things to offer. Take the things that strengthen YOUR spirituality and disregard the rest."

I can't for the life of me, figure out what WTS offers that strengthens anyones spirituality?

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How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?

by Tazemanian-devil in

i was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.

if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.

how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?

3rdgen

I made a typo I meant to say 20 years. At the rate of $500 per visit per cong 29 years in the circuit work could bring as much as $638,000.

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Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

3rdgen

This site is why Balaamsass and I are awake ex JW's. The organization itself drove us away from the KH but the comments and humor made us free from guilt and helped us to reason that this was NEVER God's organization. Thanks everyone!

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How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?

by Tazemanian-devil in

i was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.

if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.

how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?

3rdgen

thedepressedsoul. What you say is noteworthy. Each congregation has at least a few people who are mentally impaired. As many dubs are getting old now they have dementia.

I have relatives who were used to giving LARGE green handshakes to Co's and DO's. When they got old and had spent all of their savings the dementia made them FORGET that they could no longer afford to keep doing it. As you said, they ALWAYS take the money regardless of the financial strain it puts on the donor or their caretakers.

All it takes is for a couple of people per cong to give the co a few hundred $$ and the others to chip in some smaller $$ amounts. Then do the math. There are an average of about 22 congs to a circuit which are visited twice a year. let's say they average $500. in gifts per cong per visit. If they saved all of it at the end of 29 years of "Service" they could retire with $440,000. The smart ones never tell the WTBT$ what they take in on the side.