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  How many different "rules" do Jehovah's Witnesses have to obey? Can you count them?

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
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  all the big changes for jws since this last fall brought me back to this site, and got me and the wife talking.

  just how many things were we not allowed to do growing up as jehovah's witnesses?

  we were so used to all the rules, customs, and traditions, that we became used to them.. one site i found claims there are 141 unique rules!!

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  Oh yeah, another one is:

  Whoever initiates a gathering of JWs is considered the Host and is therefore responsible (on the hook) for whatever rules are broken during said gathering.
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  How many different "rules" do Jehovah's Witnesses have to obey? Can you count them?

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all the big changes for jws since this last fall brought me back to this site, and got me and the wife talking.

  just how many things were we not allowed to do growing up as jehovah's witnesses?

  we were so used to all the rules, customs, and traditions, that we became used to them.. one site i found claims there are 141 unique rules!!

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  A friend's daughter got counseled for wearing a denim skirt to the meeting. Mind you, it wasn't tight or short. Just that Devilish Denim!

  I was in a congregation where a parent was required to accompany their child to the restroom no exceptions! They devoted a "Special Needs" talk on the new rule and why. It seems some elder went to the restroom and found a big #2 in the toilet. Big Deal

  One old brother with a thick foreign accent said "I was in there too (the restroom) and It didn't smell like no kid to me." Too funny!
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  SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

  by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

  nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

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  DOC,

  I couldn't agree more with everything you said. We don't know to what extent these revisions will be followed or what supplemental instructions will be given.

  In the 60 years I was a JW I was in 12 different congregations. My Father was the "Congregation Servant" (head guy before Elders) and both husbands were Elders.

  Like you, I saw the variables of the administration firsthand. For example: The loudest, pushiest, or Richest ie(Donates the most) Elders have the most influence over the rest. His pet peeves, or his wifes', His favorite and least favorite people get treated differently. Fellow Elder's kids have a leg up because their father becomes their advocate. (Free WT legal advice) :) They often skate when the "Fatherless boy" gets DFed.

  Every Elder interprets and administers "Society" instructions differently. The same person committing the same "offense" could have completely different outcomes depending on the 3 Elders who do the Judging.
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  To those JW's at age 10 and above who read it, understood it, got played, and survived. 😇

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody plays the fool.

  lyrics.

  'okay, so your heart is brokenyou sit around mopin'cryin' and cryin'you say you're even thinkin' about dyin'well, before you do anything rash, dig this.

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  Thanks LHG,

  Both of us have had so many difficulties caused by obedience to JW dogma that it's hard not to be bitter. Unfortunately, BA's health is not good so even though we are so happy to be out of the cult, life is far from perfect.

  The old joke holds true: "If I would have known I would live so long I would have taken better care of myself!"
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  GERMAN EXJW YOUTUBE CHANNEL WINS IN COURT

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this following story is about the german exjw channel jz help that received a cease and desist letter from the watchtower : "we embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the jehovah's witnesses community.

  it all began when our youtube channel, initially named jw victim assistance, was abruptly suspended in august 2019 by the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights.

  subsequently, in october, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'jw' within a short timeframe.

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  Raymond ' Thank you for posting that.

  The Watchtower corporation apparently believes they own the entire alphabet.
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  SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

  by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

  nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

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  Wow, Baihi!

  What a story!

  Good for you for having enough sense not to get involved in their mess and leaving Watchtower as well.
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  To those JW's at age 10 and above who read it, understood it, got played, and survived. 😇

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody plays the fool.

  lyrics.

  'okay, so your heart is brokenyou sit around mopin'cryin' and cryin'you say you're even thinkin' about dyin'well, before you do anything rash, dig this.

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  I realize I left this thread on a negative note. Yup, I am angry, sometimes depressed, and unlike LongHairGal, I was a child bride at 17. I listened and obeyed the GB not to finish my education, not to have sex before marriage, and the biggest NO NO, not to work when you have a husband who earns enough to get by.

  Baalam'sAss listened and obeyed the edict and family pressure against Higher Education even though he was offered scholarships to some Ivy League Colleges. Instead, he pioneered, served at Bethel, and married a Pioneer sister who knew she could not have children. He dearly wanted to be a father and would have been an extraordinary one. But hey, "New Order" is coming any time now so marry the hot chick. LOL

  We both went through nasty divorces in separate cities and met in our mid to late 40s at a KH where we had both coincidently moved. We were assigned to the same book study where he was the conductor. As we became acquainted, we saw each other's good qualities that had been grossly overlooked by not only our former spouses but our entire JW families!

  We got married and had a whirlwind of trouble from my teenage kids, our exes, the congregation, his job, and even our mothers and other family members.

  The bright side is this. At a certain point, we got our carts loaded with the hypocrisy and meanness associated with JW's.

  We found the courage to examine OUR religion and now we have been completely out for 12 years.

  It is never too late to wake up if you are ready. We are SO HAPPY we did.
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  To those JW's at age 10 and above who read it, understood it, got played, and survived. 😇

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody plays the fool.

  lyrics.

  'okay, so your heart is brokenyou sit around mopin'cryin' and cryin'you say you're even thinkin' about dyin'well, before you do anything rash, dig this.

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  Thanks, Biahi and LongHairGal,

  When I think back to those 60 years I spent steeped in that toxic environment I am not surprised that I had to see a therapist and still on anti-anxiety/depression meds.
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  To those JW's at age 10 and above who read it, understood it, got played, and survived. 😇

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody plays the fool.

  lyrics.

  'okay, so your heart is brokenyou sit around mopin'cryin' and cryin'you say you're even thinkin' about dyin'well, before you do anything rash, dig this.

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  How many here remember District Overseers and Bethel Representatives who were flown (all expenses paid by Watchtower) to major cities all over the US?

  The "Society" would rent a stadium or convention center where the most gifted and arousing speakers gave talks such as "The Great Earthquake" and "Stay Alive 'Till 75"

  Anyone who says the fervor over 1975 came from those who "Ran Ahead of the Organization" was either not old enough to remember or LYING.

  I vividly remember the "Kingdom Ministry" that extolled the families who sold their houses and possessions in order to pioneer in the "Last Remaining Months"

  During the same time period we were using the book "The Nations Shall Know I am Jehovah" better known as the "Ezekiel" book at the "book study". Week after week it went on and on about how bad the Israelites were for "Panneling their houses" At the urging of the leadership people were soft shunned for building a house or doing or buying ANYTHING others (mainly elders) thought was "Not Living With a View to the End"

  In '72 or '73 one of the Watchtower study articles repeatedly stated if a publisher is able to Regular Pioneer but does not, "It is Tantamount to MURDER" Our Bombastic Circuit overseer was visiting that same week. By the time it was over I and several others in our hall were sufficiently guilted into signing up. (100 hrs. a Month)

  Even though at this time the Governing Body and the Elder arrangement were in their infancy THEY really knew how to whip up FEAR OBLIGATION and GUILT
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  To those JW's at age 10 and above who read it, understood it, got played, and survived. 😇

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody plays the fool.

  lyrics.

  'okay, so your heart is brokenyou sit around mopin'cryin' and cryin'you say you're even thinkin' about dyin'well, before you do anything rash, dig this.

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  Yes, Newboy

  Hubby (Baalam'sAss) and I were 13 and 16 years old, and already baptized at ages 12 and 13 when those articles first came out in 1968. ALL the Borganization did was beat the drum that the "Great Tribulation was scheduled to begin ON or BEFORE 1975. That "The Great Day of God the Almighty" (Armaggdon), the destruction of every man, woman, and child not baptized or baptized and only doing "TOKEN SERVICE" Would be bird food.

  It is important to note that we are not talking about a couple of articles in the magizines or a couple of veiled predictions in the study books. This frantic atmosphere permeated every discussion, meeting, assembly, and convention from 1968 through 1975.

  The of JWs were not fooled Sometimes. We were fooled ALL of the time.

  What was the effect on the brainwashed during the late 1960s to the mid !970s?

  I think I'll start a thread.