Posts by iCeltic

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BROOKLYN SELL-OFF

by The Searcher in

anybody got information on the amount of money changing hands?.

http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/americas/united-states/jehovahs-witnesses-sign-agreement-to-sell-buildings/.

Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

iCeltic

Yeah, on second thought I'd need to agree with you LizO, this is probably not the place for you. You've started off angry here, not the best start.

Like you I want evidence so when I see a post that says Rutherford had mistresses and I was unaware of that, I don't repeat that to anyone else, I'll happily wait till I see evidence. Just because there's not a link next to a post doesn't mean it's not true but rather than get annoyed about it maybe you should address the specifics and ask those individuals to provide the evidence, once done if you still don't agree then that's fine, that's allowed.

what I am surprised about is that on most things here there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support claims made

The GB might not be sitting there in Bethel 'knowing' they are lying (although some I suspect are) but a lie is a lie is a lie, as it were. I don't need to add anymore examples, there's been many quoted here, if that isn't enough to help you see how the wbts runs then nothing will.

i wish you all the best in your search (if you do search)

p.s I never once got the impression that Ray Franz was bitter. He was sad. He came across as humble to me and freely admitted his own faults, unlike the wt masters of today. Food for thought.

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Scriptural list of gods anger?

by iCeltic in

can anyone point me in the right direction, a good descriptive list of gods anger, genocide, vengeance and general things that we would view as bad and the scriptures next to it to show where these things are in the bible?.

iCeltic

Can anyone point me in the right direction, a good descriptive list of gods anger, genocide, vengeance and general things that we would view as bad and the scriptures next to it to show where these things are in the bible?

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BROOKLYN SELL-OFF

by The Searcher in

anybody got information on the amount of money changing hands?.

http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/americas/united-states/jehovahs-witnesses-sign-agreement-to-sell-buildings/.

iCeltic

Bump

any info on the court case and selling property?

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100 things I learned from watching "The Prodigal Son" DVD

by Perversion of a truth in

these are things that were said or insinuated, i start with the first 15.

enjoy!!.

1. working for a corporation in the city makes you fall out of the truth.. 2. if you become inactive or leave jehovah you will make your whole family sad and ruin everything.. 3. all worldly people cheat.. 4. all worldly people curse.. 5.

iCeltic

Julia - yeah and the rest, I thought that house was way, way over $1 mill. There's two bed apartments in Sydney worth over 1 mill. These are seriously rich j dubs.

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Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

iCeltic

If it looks like feces, smells like feces then its a safe bet that it is feces.

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Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

iCeltic

One example. Organ transplants were forbidden, up until 1979 you'd have been DF'd for it and completely shunned by family and friends. 1980 it's ok, no shunning. People died because these men make up garbage like that. It may not be in your view lying but they are making statements saying almighty god will be disgusted with you for this, they then change it (in the full knowledge that many, many jw's died because they took a stand based on their authority, without scriptures I may add) without the hint of an apology and disguise it as new light.

they don't 'suggest' it, they say its absolutely the case that god thinks a certain way and they change that later all the while giving no good reason. Show me a scripture that says men can't have a beard and give an item at an assembly? What scripture says woman can't wear a trouser suit in the Kingdom Hall? Small things but absolute idiotic rules made up completely for no good reason.

whether we like it or not these men have for years made up various things and said its gods will with no real evidence to back it up. It's actually disgusting.

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BROOKLYN SELL-OFF

by The Searcher in

anybody got information on the amount of money changing hands?.

http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/americas/united-states/jehovahs-witnesses-sign-agreement-to-sell-buildings/.

iCeltic

I was under the impression that the wts wasn't able to sell any buildings at the moment due to the Conti case, I must have been wrong..

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We're Jehovah's Witnesses. We speak out in fearlessness.........

by punkofnice in

then why aren't the gb personally going out and spearheading the preaching in places like china for instance and muslim countries?.

no money in it?.

they are afraid of getting killed?.

iCeltic

I used to always knock rather than ring, I still do when at friends or whatever. You're maybe being a wee bit hard on her, doing the jw door chopping isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.

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Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

iCeltic

LizO

Many people have been crushed by the wts under the guidance of the GB, some are angry and some of those who are angry may well at times write things in an angry way, that's life, that's what happens when people abuse power and crush people's lives.

Also, when I first learned that jw's were completely wrong I started looking at things on the Internet, in doing so I saw some videos from people who were saying things like 'brother so and so said this about me so I left and I hate them all now' - there's always people with chips on their shoulders.

I'd say on the whole that this site is a good place to get info and meet like minded people. Sure at times you'll see and read things and think that's just silly but you learn to ignore that, but don't let silly little things like that stop you from seeing value of this site and the people here, some who would bend over backwards to help you.

For many years I worked (free of charge of course) at the circuit and district convention in accounting, I can absolutely assure you the money was the number one priority, I've watched district overseers script their notes and laughing about guilting the bros/sis into giving more money. 'Brothers, have you any idea how much it costs to hire these halls, really? Do you really?' Well yes, I did, I also new how much it cost me, a self employed regular pioneer, to take time from my part time crap job to go to an assembly and not earn any money to feed my family and then feel guilty that I wasn't giving even more.

Of course there are many, many honest and good people in the jw, there's a number I miss dearly, but that will never excuse the crystal clear fact that the GB have just their power to tell the org the 'truth' from Jehovah, only to change that truth later when 'the truth' turned out to be an untruth. So yes, people are angry. People here also want to help others escape from that nightmare.

i hope you can see past the things you don't like and see the value of this site and also contribute to it to make it even better :)