Posts by MarkofCane

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My Story "Act 2"

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“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

No this was just a sick joke the guys at the literature counter shared in. I didn't make it up one of the other guys did, but became a running joke. We were douche bags.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

Yes that's him, Our DO Charles Waller Handsome, tall man, great speaker he knew how to make a mountain out of a molehill. Very charismatic and persuasive speaker to bad it wasn't enough for him to keep his job.

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Blondie

My wife has had some dealings with pedophile issues in her family and the one accused was a family member and Elder. It got handled by other elders (his friends and elders serving in the same congregation with him) never went to the authorities. After it was handled my wife and i wore shocked by the proceeding. They interrogated her in front of the accused Elder and he kept saying "lies she is a liar". The Elders sided with him because he's a brother and she left the truth years ago. ( not df, just left and never wanted anything to do with it again.) There was a lot more to it, I should be careful. I could be saying to much to soon.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Flipper

I really enjoy reading your post. The sincerity and kindness comes across so eloquently in your words. Thanks for your advice and kind words.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Hello

ToesUp

A lot of the spiritual friends we had view us as questionable association so we don’t get invited much to anything, but it plays well in our fade."

We felt this as well. My spouse never felt the urge or need to reach out for a position. Something always held him back. Now we know what that was.

It amazes us how, even though we are great people to be around we never hit that "spiritual" status or mark.

I'm sorry if I hit a nerve. I was the one who didn't hit the "mark" in retrospect my attitude towards others were my own insecurities masquerading as spiritual worthiness. There is a lot of Guilt and obligation instilled in us and when others aren't striving for the same purpose we are made to feel we need to separate them from us" The Lamb and the goat analogy, The wheat and the weeds". It's all very cleaver when you sit back and analyze it form a different perspective. It needs to be this way for the Cult to survive. I'm embarrassed for what I allowed my self to become but I'm making good on the things I can change.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Thanks Phizzy and Magnum

Both your presence on this forum have been paramount to my understanding were it all went wrong. You guys have been a constant and when I doubted my sanity I would come to this site and you would say something that clicked, maybe just something to post in your mind but significant to my journey. "The pen is mightier than the sword" no truer words.

MC

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

MarkofCane

Findthelost

Do you think this "study" waited till you and your wife were more at ease and disarmed before attempting these questions? Do you feel they were waiting to witness to you about TTATT?

And,

Did you ever go back to the "study" and answer the questions or discuss your findings?

I will try to answer this the best I can, for all I know that young lady might be reading here. The young couple that we were studying with, she is a very bright young lady she always prepared and answered spot on. Her mother is a born again Christian and would tell her that we are a mind control sect, her mother I believe supplied her with information and instilled doubt in her mind about the study. She had printed out information about the society and read most of it out to us. So we knew it was apostate derived. After learning TTATT I could not return with a Bible in my hand. We did go back as friends and just told them we were going through some stuff and would not be able to continue the study. We never brought up any of it, she never brought it up neither.

Looking back it burns me to think how I would go to people homes in a suit and tie and presume I had all the answers, turns out I didn't even know the basics of my own faith. What a tangles web is life.

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

MarkofCane

James Jack

No guilt trips either about missing meetings to take about 10 mini vacations a year(3 or 4 days off in a row). Life is to short and there are many "beautiful places" on this planet to visit to get your batteries recharged. My wife and enjoy being together and LIVING LIFE!

That's awesome, in the last 2 years we have taken more trips than I've taken my whole life. When ever we would take a trip before we would always get the sideways look like what about the meeting? Your family need's your direction as the head of the family, they need to be out in service Blah, blah, blah. Now if they see me at the meetings they act impressed. They love bomb me and my family. My nature is to be kind, I tend to joke a lot to keep thing on the light side. But you have to fight fire with fire, behind there facade there is a spiritual warfare going on in there minds, whether you believe that or not, so I chose my words very carefully. Its a battle of wits.

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone.”

So a lot of our life change that day, that cold Saturday morning in service, the day at the cemetery my character played out the final act of this drama and as I was to later discover a new production was unfolding one of peeling back facades of truth, uncovering buried truth that weren’t too deep but was denied freedom to dig. In this performance I would be my real self, the old me the one I denied access too the one I silenced turn out to be very inquisitive and a honest guy, like someone with multiple personality the other me who I hated for being fleshly who I shunned for being real, the inclination of the heart is evil, so says who? I felt empowered, a lifelong process of reinforcing walls stopped, now I would tear them down.

So let me go back a bit in time to explain who I was and then the where I’m at. Besty is right when he said “treat it like a game and you will win”. That’s how I’m coping with this all I treat it like a game.

Perhaps that’s my problem I over think things to much. I wish I was more like my worldly friends who live careless and worry free, they live each day and savor it for what it is. I was determined to be more like them. I would educate myself since the end being so close and education being frowned upon I finished high school and got a job. I worked hard and achieved some success in construction my lower back is a testament to that endeavor.

I tried pioneering but just wasn’t for me I don’t know if it was for lack of faith or maybe trying to convince someone of something I’m not so convince of myself. Doubt I guess was my sinister companion but I pressed on, forcing myself to believe the improbable, squashing my doubts when they arose, quieting my mind when it objected it was a subtle process of group conformity. Who was I to question these facts when the majority have accepted them and have based their lives around them, these older men and women wiser than me, older than me they have proven the authenticity of these teaching, Right?

I was the one lacking in faith. So, I became determined to be a spiritual man, a man of God. I studied more, read the daily text every morning and studied the watchtower like it was dictated from God himself. Received some privileges (MS for a short time), turned in field service hrs. Conducted bible studies, turn into a judgmental tool, I mean fool.

Chose my friends by prescribed standards set by an organization looked down on those who didn’t meet the mark, referred to the weak as the Walking Dead (jokingly of course). Became oppressive with my family and kids about meetings and service, convince myself to believe enormous facts with insufficient proof. I surrounded myself with like kind people, trotting through this theatrical play we call life, my view on suffering, the poor, the sick and dying had its compartments everything had answers and god was the key. Life was more of a rehearsal for the “real life” a audition played out for the angels to behold, earth is the stage and heaven held the celestial spectators.

Writing this now and looking back at who I was, has been really painful to relive and embarrassing to share here with everyone but I believe all is for naught if I’m not honest about myself. But in a way it has been cathartic to my soul and mind to understand how this crazy man made religion impelled me to believe and live in a delusional way the value of life its pleasure and trifle moments meaningless unless it conformed with Mother.

“There is something in every one of you that waits and listens for the sound of the genuine in yourself. It is the only true guide you will ever have. And if you cannot hear it, you will all of your life spend your days on the ends of strings that somebody else pulls.” - Howard Thurman

And then the question came back to me. The question that would answer it all, the question the DO asked back in the Circuit assembly. “Who truly is the Faithful and discreet slave”. I will earnestly ask God to make it abundantly clear, all is not lost. Perhaps all this happen for a reason maybe Jehovah/ God wanted me to take this journey so that I could understand my purpose in life, He would lead me to the truth weather it was with the JW or somewhere else. I would be honest and follow the road God and truth laid out for me. Where ever it lead me.

So I began to peel back layers of teaching and logical fallacies, layers of bible fable and myth. Examined everything on the flood, about pharaoh and the ten plagues, Moses and the red sea. (I did this with the intention of proving it true but failed miserably). How old is mankind, who authored the bible and who and why where the 66 books selected out of hundreds. I read and verified history about the Society, Russell and Rutherford, Beth Sarim, the UN and (ARC) Royal Commission on child abuse (Angus Stewart my new Hero) failed prophesy’s of 1975 and 1914, then there’s that mess about overlapping generations and flickering light. It really does became quite clear when you see the organization with no filters it actually somewhat painful to sit through a full meeting and not have facial freak out, my wife has turn to me and said “Stop it”, I guess I might be mumbling something or I’m making a “WTF Face”. I’ve caught myself standing up and screaming “stop it!”, “stop!” at the top of my lunges “you are lying to these people ” to finally realize I was day dreaming in a fog of thoughts, I guess that’s how I cope.

What I’ve learned in all of my research is that the truth cannot be so delicate of a concept that it can be destroyed by facts the truth stands up to any evidence presented. I remember reading here; someone posted an old Watchtower magazine where I believe Russell said “The truth is the truth even if spoken by Satan himself”

Yes the truth about the truth is verifiable! JWfacts.com is a good site and I’ve learned a lot here thanks to all of you. I’ve also read CoC that pretty much answer the CO question if you were wondering where I stood on that. The Royal commission testimony of Governing Body member put the last nail in the coffin. Theocratic warfare is what they call it, so... Ok let’s play. I want to thank the DO, Charles Wallard who asked to verify and make for sure, he was right it was the most important question I would ever ask!

I can’t go into too many details due to the fact that my entire family and wife’s family are JW’s, all of our friends our entire life to this point revolves around JW life. We are in the process of a slow fade and trying not to bring unwanted attention to ourselves. We have been talking to the kids about what they have learned and what they should believe, than grandparents interrogates them and confuses them all over again. A lot of the spiritual friends we had view us as questionable association so we don’t get invited much to anything, but it plays well in our fade.

So now it’s been about 3 years since I learned TTATT, my wife know how I feel and has some reservation about the organization, the pedophile issue killed her. She won’t read apostate stuff and still goes to the meeting about 40% of the time I go maybe once every couple of month just to keep peace and elders at bay, haven’t gone D2D in about 2 yrs. My wife said I‘m like the "yeti", because when I show up at the meetings people can’t stop staring at me. The elders have spoken to me and my wife we just avoid the loaded questions and act dumb. I’m glazing over the process our marriage went through to get to this point; there were strong word and tears, sleepless night and long conversations, Silence and threats ultimately we came out the other side now just doing damage control. I will leave the details for a later time to much to tell.

Ironically my friends now are the ones I viewed as not spiritual enough back when; I get it now, we don’t bring up the religion stuff they just pretend witch I’m ok with for now. Most don’t do service and like to have a few drinks. So we pretend for sakes of having friends and gradually looking for friends outside the bOrg.( I guess now were referred as walkers to ,lol) It’s really hard when all you know is this life, rules and standards set out for you and prodding back when you stray. I know there are good people outside of the organization it just all feels so surreal. I’ve caught myself in my old ways looking at certain gestures or phrases as wrong, looking at people’s choice of attire with that critical eye. I force myself to stop! recognize we are all just human we are particles of dust formed into this vessel and gone tomorrow. That’s it nothing else, I live in the now because it’s real.

Our JW family knows something is not right but they are afraid to probe too deeply, I think they are afraid of what they will find. So we dance around “the” subject with skill. I know we can’t continue like this for a long time it’s my transition phase out of a long sleep, it will take time and patience. Like I said earlier a new play has unfolded, a new chapter in this drama called life; there’s happiness and tragedy there love and hate there will be children raised into adults and new lives created I don’t know what’s in store for the final act but we are eager to play it out.

Mark of Cane

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

MarkofCane

Freddo

Funny stuff. What's weird is that I'm a grown ass man and I still afford them some authority over me. Its a hard thing to understand unless your in a cult.

MC