Posts by MarkofCane

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"Apostates " how honest are we?

by closed in

as i mentioned in another post i used to serve as an elder for 2 decades.

i was involved in a number of jc.

some i dealt with are good friends now.

MarkofCane

Hi Closed

I'm certain you are a good person and you only did what was asked of you by a controlling organization and sincerely thought by God and his Son Jesus, Head of the congregation. No doubt you reasoned that it was primarily to keep the congregation clean and the holy spirit was upon you and the other elders. Unfortunately many here have been hurt by the action of men/elders who instead of helping those loaded down with doubt and guilt, have only added to there burden. Instead of siding with the victim decided the other way because it would bring reproach to Gods organization. So from that starting point the whole process is biased. Man is not capable of fairly judging man only God has that prerogative. Just my 2cents

MC

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"Crises of Conscience"

by Olivia Wilde in

i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

MarkofCane

Hi Olivia

CoC was an important read for me, it filled in all the gaps about the men in the ivory tower. The way they treated Ray makes sense Ray help to wright Aid to Bible understanding so he was the scholar he immersed himself in research. When the society received information regarding 607 and the implication it would have on 1914 Ray understood it to be correct. They told Ray that regardless of the truth they would not change there doctrine, when he persisted they removed him from Bethel , when they could not silence him they disfellowshiped to shut him up. Little did they know he would write a book that would reveal there inter workings. All the authority I bestowed on these individuals evaporated once I understood there agenda. "The only authority they have is what you give them"

MC

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Conclusion

by Esmeralda001 in

i decided to put an end to my affiliation with the jws for good.

this decision is not the result of an irrational impulse.

it is quite the contrary.

MarkofCane

I don't have any advice for you just wanted to say stay strong and don't let them see your pain. Avoid them for awhile and find some peace. Ok, I guess that could be counted as advice.

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Evidence of Human Activity in Northern Siberia 45,000 years ago.

by fulltimestudent in

this information makes the biblical dating of human origins a sad joke.

quote: " when they dated the remains, the researchers got another surprise: the mammoth died 45,000 years ago.

that means that humans lived in the arctic more than 10,000 years earlier than scientists believed, according to a new study.

MarkofCane

There is so much evidence that man existed over 40,000 years ago and some scientist estimate over 100,000. Believing the Genesis account of creation is the same as believing the earth is flat.

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

HI Alive

Your response touched me. Your right this is a male corporate structure set up just to control. I'm sorry for the way they treated you and your family they did the same to me, they always said you need to do this you need to do that, always more do more never able to fill that endless void. So, I shrunk down my business and simplified my life was on track to possible elder. That all changed when I learned the real truth. Now I spend my time Building my business and spending as much time as possible with my family. They get so confused when they see you prosper and things are going well there self imposed prophecy of your demise implodes in there minds, you can see it in there eyes.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

LoveUniHateExams

No this was just a sick joke the guys at the literature counter shared in. I didn't make it up one of the other guys did, but became a running joke. We were douche bags.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Stirred but not shaken

Yes that's him, Our DO Charles Waller Handsome, tall man, great speaker he knew how to make a mountain out of a molehill. Very charismatic and persuasive speaker to bad it wasn't enough for him to keep his job.

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Blondie

My wife has had some dealings with pedophile issues in her family and the one accused was a family member and Elder. It got handled by other elders (his friends and elders serving in the same congregation with him) never went to the authorities. After it was handled my wife and i wore shocked by the proceeding. They interrogated her in front of the accused Elder and he kept saying "lies she is a liar". The Elders sided with him because he's a brother and she left the truth years ago. ( not df, just left and never wanted anything to do with it again.) There was a lot more to it, I should be careful. I could be saying to much to soon.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Flipper

I really enjoy reading your post. The sincerity and kindness comes across so eloquently in your words. Thanks for your advice and kind words.

MC

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My Story "Act 2"

by MarkofCane in

“it has been said, 'time heals all wounds.

' i do not agree.

the wounds remain.

MarkofCane

Hello

ToesUp

A lot of the spiritual friends we had view us as questionable association so we don’t get invited much to anything, but it plays well in our fade."

We felt this as well. My spouse never felt the urge or need to reach out for a position. Something always held him back. Now we know what that was.

It amazes us how, even though we are great people to be around we never hit that "spiritual" status or mark.

I'm sorry if I hit a nerve. I was the one who didn't hit the "mark" in retrospect my attitude towards others were my own insecurities masquerading as spiritual worthiness. There is a lot of Guilt and obligation instilled in us and when others aren't striving for the same purpose we are made to feel we need to separate them from us" The Lamb and the goat analogy, The wheat and the weeds". It's all very cleaver when you sit back and analyze it form a different perspective. It needs to be this way for the Cult to survive. I'm embarrassed for what I allowed my self to become but I'm making good on the things I can change.

MC