So if your not consuming the kool aid your considered walking dead.
MarkofCane
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You Are Unsuitable!
by Divergent intoday's text -.
sunday, january 24. they collected the fine ones into containers, but the unsuitable they threw away.—matt.
13:48.. understanding the lesson of this illustration helps us to avoid being overly distraught or disappointed if a bible student or one of our children does not make the truth his own.
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A sincere message to those from the organisation monitoring my posts....
by stuckinarut2 inso, i know there are some from my congregation or from bethel who monitor my posts..... maybe you're looking for something to catch me out?.
just a question: rather than trying to find fault with me, have you stopped and looked into the issues or facts about the organisation that caused me to come to a place like this forum??.
facts are there for anyone to find nowadays....one just has to be willing to pull their head out of the sand.....
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MarkofCane
Don't want to make light of this and I hope Stuck get's through this with little effect as possible. I would like to say to any of the Elders from my congregation who I will see at my Sunday meeting (because of family). If your wondering if I'm on this site and your looking for me, here's a clue. I will be wearing a very sweet scent called…… "freedom".
When you look into my eyes don’t confuse it with anger its disappointment, sadness that I hold for you because of the lost friendship we had and the words we can't candidly share. When I speak to you what you hear is not resentment but cautiousness because you subjugated your mind to a concept that you cannot question. I so wish it didn't have to be this way and I never thought I would be on this side of the table. I plead to you to look honestly at your loyalty. Is it really to God or is it to an Organization. It’s not the same no matter what the organization tells you. As was mentioned on this tread misguided men brought misery to ancient Israel, a nation suffered due to its leaders. Why than is it impossible for history to repeat itself again? Was it not you who taught us the Bible was written for our benefit so we would not repeat the same mistakes again?
Listen for the sound of the genuine in yourself or spend your days on the ends of strings that somebody else pulls.
MC
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There are some real beauties posted here!
by stillin inthis one is worth repeating.
it was buried in a thread and u've been thinking about it all day.. a quote from mark twain, one of my all-time heroes.. "it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he has been fooled.".
isn't that the truth....
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MarkofCane
"If I knew I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself "
I can relate to this one especially, I remember always saying "Oh, don't worry about it were going to be made new again." Now I use sunscreen everyday. Haha
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There are some real beauties posted here!
by stillin inthis one is worth repeating.
it was buried in a thread and u've been thinking about it all day.. a quote from mark twain, one of my all-time heroes.. "it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he has been fooled.".
isn't that the truth....
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MarkofCane
Life was a funny thing that happened to me on the way to the grave.
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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?
by stuckinarut2 init's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".
"is he 'in the truth'?".
most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.
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MarkofCane
My last post should of read: "Theocratic warfare", Darn spell check. -
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Just realized this recently - as a JW, I never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....
by Muddy Waters injust realized this recently - as a jw, i never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....we were always told how we are nothing, just specks of dust, grasshoppers, worms.... lowly, despicable sinners in need of redemption, born into sin & misery, constantly facing temptations that we could never handle on our own but only with "jehovah's help"... so we were continually marginalized, all our abilities and talents... they would even quote scriptures that said things like "why should we boast as if we didn't receive these abilities..?
"it was a weird mentally psychotic dichotomy -- being told we were worthless sinners, undeserving of god's kindness -- and on the other hand being the only ones who would survive the great day of jehovah the almighty god at armageddon.
(well, probably, maybe, if we did enough and *kept* doing enough...)so we didn't "own" any of our abilities and accomplishments.
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MarkofCane
Great post Muddy waters, we lived our life as a rehearsal for the real life, everything postponed nothing mattered. It felt like we were in a theatrical performance played out for the angels to behold, everything in our life was scrutinized and guilt was our companion. All that dissolved when I realized it was all just propaganda to subjugate are minds.
It’s funny I really don’t have time to be here but I can’t resist a good post, now back to work.
MC
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MarkofCane
So ok, let's assume it’s all true and Jesus comes and conquers the great serpent and binds him in the abyss. Now 1000 years of perfection is upon mankind, perfect ruler ship. So we are getting younger, wiser, stronger, hair is fuller, are limp is gone, sickness and death are no more, every conceivable ailment is removed. Now we are living forever, dead being resurrected and creating a perfect new world.
So when I saw this for the first time I thought who in there perfectly right mind would think this sucks where’s that serpent at. Let’s all gather at the river and overthrow this bitch.” Everyone grab a headband and find your best stick and meet me at the river.” It does appear the wicked outnumber Gods people, if the majority are not happy again then perhaps the people were never the problem to began with. Incredibly I really tried to believe this stuff.
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Elder Mentioning an "Apostate Problem"
by Simon Templar ini bumped into a sister that i have known for at least 40 years or so.
we were catching up.
she and her husband have been in the truth for decades.
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MarkofCane
Yes the 3 in my congregation 2 are elders wives. The 3rd I don't think has ever been married.
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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?
by stuckinarut2 init's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".
"is he 'in the truth'?".
most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.
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MarkofCane
Personally, the term makes me sick to hear it used in reference to the cult. I haven't used it since I woke up, and I think going back to exclusively using the JW loaded language words as they're used by the normal populous is a very useful part of cleaning out lingering indoctrination and any reservations/doubts one might have about leaving. It's a very unconscious part of their control, and it's difficult not to be influenced by it. As Steve Hassan said, words are the tools we use to think. If, upon leaving the cult, you continue to use the loaded language of the cult, your thinking will still be influenced by your past indoctrination.
I agree with OneEyedjoe
Words are the tools we use to think, "The truth, bother and sisters, faithful and discreet slave and our Redeemer and my favorite one apostate" are all loaded words used to control and keep us in submission to the bOrg. I stop using them when I woke up early on felt Orwellian when I would hear it or about to say it. One thing I learned is when I'm talking to my wife I need to speak the language of the cult to be able to reach her, if I refer to it as the religion or them crazy people or anything other then the "Truth or that brother or sister", she will shut down and say I'm an apostate or I sound like a apostate. The conversation ends she will leave the room or the Iron curtain will drop and she wont reason on anything I have to say. So it's Theoretical warfare and I only use it to penetrate the indoctrination and deceit this loving organization left for me to deal with. Now that's the truth.
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New Here
by Grey Goose inhi one and all.. i've lurked for 3 years, about time i signed up.. i'm a still in ms due to family.. fully awake.. i look forward to getting to know all of you..
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MarkofCane
A big welcome to you.