Posts by MarkofCane

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Trying To Leave - Im Going Crazy

by pale.emperor in

this is my first post.

i really feel i need to leave the jw's rather than go along pretending everything is perfect etc.

no friends, me at work.

Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

MarkofCane

I was addressing only the issue of why God does not prevent evil, not on proof of God's existance.

The argument has no merit, if you can't convince me there is a God.

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

MarkofCane

Hello FSNL

Well, nice to see you took the bull by the horns. The God discussion is the big one, most avoid it because it goes nowhere the believer will continue to believe regardless of the evidence. I will say, on a scale 1-10, I was around a 7 non believer and after Acts 5v29 fine explanation I'm now closer to 9.5

The problem imho is Acts is preaching to xjw's, we heard it all before, we read it, preached it, sang it, went to conventions it was drilled in us. The arguments for God, Acts bring to the table is not new, same old stuff. I think I could of done a better job resurrecting some of my old rhetoric. Its a hard thing to sell especially here where we have been duped, where a religion (JW's) used the idea of a Omnipotent God to subjugate it's members and destroy lives, to the point where we are still in the process of picking up the pieces, in a extreme ostracized environment.

Most of us have research and have deeply thought about this, have truly spent years wresting with this subject, the belief in God. "I've concluded that Evidence makes belief unnecessary"

So new evidence will definitely require me to reanalyze my position. But until then I enjoy everyday of life without all the delusional religious constraints.

I hope your situation has improved some.

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A fresh start

by FormerlySandL in

after the worst introduction i could ever make on the forum i would like to reintroduce myself and make a fresh start on the forum and hopefully over time i will be able to redeem myself.

i have changed my user name which was over dramatic and ridiculous in the cold light of day but for transparency and to show i am not trying to hide anything i have adapted the original name and it now has a more positive feel.

after reading a lot of posts on this forum i am feeling more optimistic about my future.

MarkofCane

HI FSNL

Glad to see you stayed, shows your character.

Their is a wealth of advice on this board enter whatever topic your interested in, into the search bar, you could literally spend days reading.

I will say this if I would of posted anything when I was first learning the ttatt I would of said some very disturbing things. I was depressed, angry, shocked and confused. I wasn't making a lot of sense, a lot of things went into my head suicide, revenge on the men/ org. that lied to me and some other thing I wont mention. My identity was stripped from me, I felt alone, I was emotionally drained. Oh did I mention pissed.

Fast forward 3 yrs later and I'm a different person my revenge isn't as sinister, but helping those who come here with concerns and question. Paying it forward you can say.

It will take some time to get yourself on your feet but you can do it, stay positive. It does get better, they want you to believe you will simply crawl under a rock and die without there organization. Prove them wrong, live a fantastic life. There are many accounts here, where people are doing just that, we are proving them wrong everyday. That's another reason they don't want people coming to apostate sites, because we prove them wrong in every way.

Welcome to the forum
MC

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The GOD of the OT a great guy..

by James Mixon in

leviticus 21:18-20 can not approach god.

a man blind or lame, who has a marred face.

or any limb too long (wth any limb too long), a broken foot or hand, hunchback or dwarf.

MarkofCane

Fascinating isn't it. But you haven't seen anything yet according to the bible, god did what he did to protect his seed so he conquered surrounding nations and genocide was committed and approved for the future blessing of the nations. Next up Armageddon, here is where God will wipe out 7 billion of his creation and then resurrect billions of the dead to only kill them again.

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Fading tactic that worked well for me

by traveb in

jw
friends

if you read some of my past posts you’ll know that i’ve successfully faded while being able to keep contact with my immediate family, who are still very devout jws.

when i did finally completely stop attending meetings, my family, and especially my parents (elder father and pioneer mom), were of course very interested to know the reasons why.

at first i deflected their questions, stating that i had personal reasons and did not want to explain myself.

MarkofCane

Hello Traveb

I enjoyed your OP, great strategy.

I agree, I wont debate doctrine with anyone anymore except here, sometimes. There is no point and they just wont reason anyways. Their mind is subjugated, if they think you sound at all like a apostate they raise the shields and there whole demeanor changes to a defensive posture.

I just go along with what ever and smile (with those in the congregation) just buying my time, when the day comes, I will burn the bridges and never return. Time is on your side the end is not coming.

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

MarkofCane

S&L

Don't focus so much on the negativity on this form, it's like anywhere else. The good, the bad and the ugly. Stay positive.

I'm in the US, but our journey's are similar.

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

MarkofCane

Hi S&L

It took me years before I signed up on this forum and posted anything, I didn't trust anyone especially these people for all I knew they where some JC committee set up in Brooklyn NY, somewhere in Bethel to out apostates. They ( bOrg) really screwed up my sense of reality. When I first came here, I was sure there was a lot of biased information dispensed by ravaged apostates and set upon myself the task of proving it lies. The deeper I dug the clearer it all became.I realized I was in a Cult.

Don't worry so much, my favorite quote from Mark Twain " I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened"

Thing will work out. Get some employment outside of any connection from the org and set a new course, take heart there not uncharted waters. There are many experiences on this forum very similar to yours. You are not alone.

One more thing, 'You were in a cult that has manipulated your life to this day, Now take back what is yours the rest of your life and dignity.

MC

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If your Absence doesn't affect them, then your Presence never mattered!

by stuckinarut2 in

what a powerful quote!.

"if your absence doesn't affect them, then your presence never mattered.".

how true!

MarkofCane

Sorry Stuck, I Moaned a little.

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If your Absence doesn't affect them, then your Presence never mattered!

by stuckinarut2 in

what a powerful quote!.

"if your absence doesn't affect them, then your presence never mattered.".

how true!

MarkofCane

"If your Absence doesn't affect them, then your Presence never mattered."

Put's it into perspective doesn't it. Shunning has commence on me and my unsuspecting family, maybe i should say undeserving, me game on, they (my family) are just victims of theocratic warfare. This has all been my doing. So now, I try and talk them into going somewhere else other than meetings, they are in a subtle deprogramming stage (they just don't know it).

Have been trying to connect with people outside the Borg, its hard when your whole life it is instilled, drilled in you they are evil, its residue indoctrination I'm trying to undo but the tentacles run deep. I now try and occupy my time on things that matter, like family, savings and retirement.

"The only people who I care if my presence mattered when I'm gone is my family"