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  How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

  by BU2B in

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  if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

  if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

  how do jws not see the obvious?

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  Badfish

  If the god of the Old Testament was Satan, why did Jesus quote from the Old Testament 84 times?
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  How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

  if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

  how do jws not see the obvious?

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  Badfish

  By what rationale does one conclude that YHWH is a false god and Christ is true, when both are central characters in a book you just described as containing information propagated by a charlatan deity?

  Not to to mention all the OT scriptures prophesying about the coming messiah, as well as Jesus quoting from OT scriptures.
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  Isn't 1878 a date they used to say the 'invisible presence' of Jesus started?

  If you take the difference between the Gregorian calendar and the 360 day prophetic years (365.2425 - 360) you get 5.2425

  Now, multiply 2520 x 5.2425 = 13211.1 days.

  Divide 13211.1 / 365.2425 = 36 years.

  1914 - 36 = 1878

  Were they using the 360-day years to come up with 1878 before, and then changed it later to 1914?
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  They are not really dividing 2520 by 365 to find out where the 2520 years end.

  I don't know very much about this subject, but the way I understand it is:

  Basically, they are saying x = 2520 / 7 = 360, where x = the days in a year.

  Then they are taking 2520 and subtracting 607 to get 1913. Adjusting for the turn from 1 BCE to 1 CE, they add one year to get 1914.

  However, they fail to recognize that the date 1914 is from the Gregorian calendar, which would mean x = 365.24

  So even if you were to assume the pivotal date 607 BCE is correct to begin with, the actual numbers you would have to use to arrive at 1914 would be incorrect as well.

  Did I get this right?
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  If I might ask, what Gregorian years do you end up with when you factor in the solstices and the equinoxes to the 360 day-years, when subtracting 607 and 587 years from 2520?
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  Ok, so when you add these equinoxes and solstices, does it add up to 1914 again starting from 607?

  If so, the 360-day years and lunar calendar arguments are debunked. It would all come down to 587 vs 607.
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  revelations was written by some guy on a REALLY bad acid trip.

  That is beside the point when you're talking about a false calculation based on a false date.
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  Okay, so my initial impression from someone who knows nothing about this subject:

  Archaeologists around the world agree with the year 586 BCE as the fall of Babylon based on archaeological and historical evidence, but the Watchtower Society made up the date 607 to coincide with their 1914 date that C.T. Russell predicted based on his measurements of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

  The 2520 number is based on the idea of "seven times" a day for a year (7 x 360 = 2520). The reason why we use the number 360 instead of 365 is because the Bible says 360 days are in a year (thus, 360 x 7 = 2520).

  Now if we do the correct math using the starting point of 586 BCE and add 2520 years consisting of 360 days like the Bible uses, we arrive at the date 1908.

  If we use the fictional date of 607 BCE, adding the same 2520 years consisting of 360 days each, we arrive at the date 1887.

  Am I doing my math right?
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  Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

  " in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

  of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

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  Badfish

  I don't know very much at all when it comes to this subject, but did they simply take 2520 and subtract 607 to get 1913 and then add one year to make it 1914?

  Doesn't the Bible use 360-day years when it comes to prophecy?
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  Meme competition 2014

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  simple.... .

  watchtower + meme !.

  anything is acceptable, but make your meme your own, hand written scrawls on microsoft paint are just as funny so don't worry about quality.

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  Badfish