Yes I can see it now, 2-4% of Neanderthal genes are a serious under estimation. You are all Neanderthal. So what have I learnt? There are Neanderthals amongst us. So you are actually walking proof of your argument. You have proved your point. Congratulations!
Posts by Vidqun
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148Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Ballistic, you're right. There's more important things to concentrate on. This argument is going nowhere fast.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
At least the Watchtower quotes sources, even if they twist the truth somewhat. Better than you are doing, by spewing abuse all the time. As I've said before: You're not going to get far with that. I asked you nicely for proof, and you come back with the same silly retorts. Yes, I know you don't suffer fools. Practice what you preach then. Don't act like one.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
You know EP, I missed you. Where were you? Let me help you out here. See, I can also do the marker thing now. Do you know what "extinct" means? Let's go to Wiki:
The Neanderthal, sometimes spelled Neandertal, is an extinct member of the Homogenus known from Pleistocenespecimens found in Europe and parts of western and central Asia . Neanderthals are classified either as a subspecies of Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or as a separate human species (Homo neanderthalensis). [1]
However, an analysis of a first draft of the Neanderthal genome by the same team released in May 2010 indicates interbreeding may have occurred. [3][4] "Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us," said Pääbo, who led the study. "The proportion of Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is about 1 to 4 percent. It is a small but very real proportion of ancestry in non-Africans today," says Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School in Boston, who worked on the study. This research compared the genome of the Neanderthals to five modern humans from China, France, sub-Saharan Africa, and Papua New Guinea. The finding is that about 1 to 4 percent of the genes of the non-Africans came from Neanderthals, compared to the baseline defined by the two Africans. This indicates a gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans, i.e., interbreeding between the two populations. Since the three non-African genomes show a similar proportion of Neanderthal sequences, the interbreeding must have occurred early in the migration of modern humans out of Africa, perhaps in the Middle East . No evidence for gene flow in the direction from modern humans to Neanderthals was found. The latter result would not be unexpected if contact occurred between a small colonizing population of modern humans and a much larger resident population of Neanderthals. A very limited amount of interbreeding could explain the findings, if it occurred early enough in the colonization process. [3]
Are you sure of your facts? The author of the Wiki-article is less sure. Let's see:
While interbreeding is viewed as the most parsimonious interpretation of the genetic discoveries, the authors point out they cannot conclusively rule out an alternative scenario, in which the source population of non-African modern humans was already more closely related to Neanderthals than other Africans were, due to ancient genetic divisions within Africa. [3]
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Agreed. You're right TD, now that you mention it, one also finds a cross between a lion (Panthera leo) and a tiger (Panthera tigris) = liger. Parents of the same genus, but different species. That's the proof I need. Back to the drawing board.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Don't know what he did? I wasn't there.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Here's some interesting reading for those interested in the subject: Investigations of the modes of natural selection and how they account for adaptation are Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, new ed. (2000); Michael R. Rose and George V. Lauder (eds.), Adaptation (1996); and Timothy A. Mousseau, Barry Sinervo, and John A. Endler (eds.), Adaptive Genetic Variation in the Wild (2000). The adaptive evolution of finches in the Galapagos is the subject of Peter R. Grant, Ecology and Evolution of Darwin's Finches (1986, reissued 1999); this topic is presented in a popular version by Jonathan Weiner, The Beak of the Finch: A Story of Evolution in Our Time (1994). Francisco J. Ayala, Population and Evolutionary Genetics: A Primer (1982), provides an introduction to the genetics of the evolutionary process. More advanced and mathematically demanding works are Philip W. Hedrick, Genetics of Populations, 2nd ed. (2000); and Daniel L. Hartl and Andrew G. Clark, Principles of Population Genetics, 3rd ed. (1997). The origin of species is the subject of Michael J.D. White, Modes of Speciation (1978); and of the more comprehensive Ernst Mayr, Animal Species and Evolution (1963; also published as Population, Species, and Evolution, 1970), which is a classic work. G. Ledyard Stebbins, Flowering Plants: Evolution Above the Species Level (1974), discusses plant speciation and evolution. A useful textbook is Jerry A. Coyne and H. Allen Orr, Speciation (2004).
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Yes, I deny speciation. It cannot be proved. It's a theory, and will remain a theory until proven. As I've mentioned before, I believe in the concept of adaptation, whereas I disagree with evolution. Here I strictly follow Dictionary defenitions (Webster). I won't bore you with these.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
If you mean natural selection as the nonrandom process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of differential reproduction of their bearers? Yes, then I do believe in natural selection.
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Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket inone thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.
one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?
of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.
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Vidqun
Like I said, a jump in species would be a turnup for the books. A jump of genus, unheard of. In my day species went by this definition: " A species is often defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring." Nowadays they use DNA, morphology and ecological niche to classify organisms more accurately. Quite a few bacteria were reclassified according to their DNA.