Welcome, Jeremiah1958! With the heartache of shunning, you also have the satisfaction that you are free and standing for what is right. Hopefully your family will (eventually) come round and follow in your footsteps. They might not know it now, but their dad is definitely somebody to be proud of.
Posts by Vidqun
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by Jeremiah1958 inhi to everyone, my name is jerry, i am 56 and i live in tralee, kerry ireland.
i will not bore you with the all too familiar details, suffice it to say i was a prime candidate for indoctrination/ brainwashing.
the surprising aspect is that my wife, a staunch catholic started a study soon after i did.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
I didn't bring up the flood, Redvip did. Very interesting stats for an occurrence we don't know anything about. I'm just responding to what he wrote. Actually, it's not relevant to the thread at all.
I said: God doesn't take anybody out of a situation. Perhaps you can give me anything to the contrary. Proof that disproves that statement does not exist, so the statement stands (until it is disproved). So, please, give it your best shot.
Where did the absolutes come from? Referring to history and sacrifice, I compared it to our situation today. Where history is concerned, there are no absolutes, only archaeological evidence, hypotheses and theories. These stand until they are shot down by new evidence. Perhaps you are referring to the time machine? Definitely no absolutes there. Actually it was a joke. To the no imagination I must add, no sense of humor.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
I stand corrected. Blood is utilized today to manufacture various products.
Except for named examples, which is hearsay, nobody has been taken out of their situation and placed somewhere else. That's the evidence I was referring to. Perhaps you know of proof to the contrary? The Israelites were led out of Egypt, not removed from their situation. They still had to deal with the Egyptian military, amongst other obstacles.
I prefer Hollywood's version of the flood legend. It explains a lot of things. Darn it, there goes that imagination yet again.
Seriously, RT interviewed a writer that researched the legend of Atlantis. According to Plato this superior civilization, called Atlantis = Island of Atlas, flourished around 8 or 9 thousand years ago. Such a view was also maintained by various Rabbis, which interpreted the the first two verses of Genesis 1 as a unit, rejecting the absolute view of "God created the heavens and the earth." They interpret these as saying: "In the beginning [of the present order of things] God shaped the heavens above and the earth below. Now the earth had become waste and wild [probably by previous catastrophe], etc." See Rotherham's The Emphasized Bible, footnote. This is more in line with current evidence (e.g., the dinosaurs).
Bottom line: Our understanding of history is limited. So what exactly happened there we don't know. Was the flood global or regional? Was Australia included or excluded? According to Ray Franz, Hebr. 'arets = earth/land.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
Well, at least I can prove my belief. He hasn't taken anybody out of the situation, except Enoch and Elijah who were exceptions. But we are digressing from the thread, which is about animal sacrifice. This is what we do today, we just don't call it sacrifice. We even discard the blood, just like they did.
God is going to change things. That's why he gave the prophecies. Time will tell.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
No, I believe God helps one to adapt to one's situation, he doesn't take one out of the situation.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
No, I have an imagination, something you are lacking. Ever heard of bow and arrow?
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Poor Animals
by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
Back to the thread, if you take a life, for whatever reason, that is the ultimate sacrifice. Even if you as a normal person had to take an ailing or old pet to the vet to be euthanized, or kill an animal for food, you'll know what I am talking about. If you never had to do that, good for you, ignorance is bliss.
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
Yo, Shirley, use your imagination. Jump into a time machine and go and visit them. See what your 21st century values would mean to them. They would shoot you ass...
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
If you live in North America, that's what your forefathers did to the Indians. If you live in South America, that's what the Spanish did to the Incas. If you live in Australia, that's what the English did to the Aborigenes. If you live in South Africa, that's what the whites did to the blacks. More recently, that's what the Nazis did to the Jews. Just the other day, that what the Hutus did to the Tutsis in Rwanda. And that is what the Israelis is doing to the Palestinians right now. In my mind, all of these should be condemned. Why single out the ancient Jews?
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by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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Vidqun
Kill or be killed. You were surrounded by Amelikites, Hittites, Philistines, etc. who wanted you dead, raid your larder, kill your sons and take your women. That was then. Similar things are happening today. Nothing has changed. Who are we to judge them?