Sorry, double post. I did not realize their are two threads. Thought my first post had disappeared.
Posts by Vidqun
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11Need help talking with my JW mom who's now willing to "listen" to what we have to say...
by 2pink inmy husband and i (both born in jws--entire extended families all still in excpet for my sister) left the church 5 years ago.
i literally woke up one day and realized it wasn't the "truth".
i did not fade, i just left and told my family i didn't believe it anymore.
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Need help talking with my JW mom who's now willing to "listen" to what we have to say...
by 2pink inmy husband and i (both born in jws--entire extended families all still in excpet for my sister) left the church 5 years ago.
i literally woke up one day and realized it wasn't the "truth".
i did not fade, i just left and told my family i didn't believe it anymore.
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Vidqun
Their involvement with the UN and OSCE come as a big schock to long-serving JWs. Last week, my mother asked a circuit overseer's wife about their involvement with the OSCE. She answered: "The Society will NEVER get invloved with the OSCE. These are people that uses the name of JWs for their own ends." Yeah right, if you use the name of the Society or one of their affiliates for you own ends, they will sue the pants off you... Ignorance is bliss. One can also to refer to their stance on pedophilia.
But heed above warnings and tread carefully. For example, after my mother's queries, she is not treated kindly. Some will not even greet her. That should tell you something. Those whose eyes are opened are viewed as a lost cause and written off.
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My JW mom is now willing to "listen" to our side...Need advice pls
by 2pink inmy husband and i (both born in jws with extended family all "in" except for one of my sisters who left when we did) left the church 5 years ago.
we did not fade, we just didn't believe it anymore, told our families so and left.
obviously, big drama in our family after this, messy feelings, etc.
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Vidqun
A huge shock for any longtime Witness is their involvement with the UN and OSCE (see threads on those topics). Last week my mother asked a circuit overseer's wife about the OSCE, so she replied: "The Society will NEVER become involved with the OSCE. Other people are using the name of Jehovah's Witnesses for their own ends." Yeah, sure, if you use the Society's names or emblems for you own ends they will sue the pants off you... Ignorance is bliss! On top of that, one could mention their stance on pedophilia. But note above warnings, all this can come as a big shock to an elderly Witness, so tread carefully.
P.S. After my mother mentioned above topics, she is treated as a leper. Some will not greet her (she is a Witness in good standing).
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
Don't you worry, if there's holes in their story, they will be shot down by their peers, people that are eminently qualified for the job. Oh yes, let's not be gullible, but let's not be paranoid either.
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
And do you really think that Drs. David Miller and Jari Louhelainen will put their professional reputations at risk so that Mr. Edwards can sell his book? Really!
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
The work on the DNA proved the provenance of the shawl. Or do you think it is a coincidence that the blood of the last victim and DNA of Kosminski are found on the same garment?
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with my beliefs. Rather let's go to the article. Notice how he sketches the provenance of the shawl:
By 2007, I felt I had exhausted all avenues until I read a newspaper article about the sale of a shawl connected to the Ripper case. Its owner, David Melville-Hayes, believed it had been in his family’s possession since the murder of Catherine Eddowes, when his ancestor, Acting Sergeant Amos Simpson, asked his superiors if he could take it home to give to his wife, a dressmaker.
Incredibly, it was stowed without ever being washed, and was handed down from David’s great-grandmother, Mary Simpson, to his grandmother, Eliza Smith, and then his mother, Eliza Mills, later Hayes.
In 1991, David gave it to Scotland Yard’s CrimeMuseum, where it was placed in storage rather than on display because of the lack of proof of its provenance. In 2001, David reclaimed it, and it was exhibited at the annual Jack the Ripper conference. One forensic test was carried out on it for a Channel 5 documentary in 2006, using a simple cotton swab from a randomly chosen part of the shawl, but it was inconclusive.
Most Ripper experts dismissed it when it came up for auction, but I believed I had hit on something no one else had noticed which linked it to the Ripper. The shawl is patterned with Michaelmas daisies. Today the Christian feast of Michaelmas is archaic, but in Victorian times it was familiar as a quarter day, when rents and debts were due.
I discovered there were two dates for it: one, September 29, in the Western Christian church and the other, November 8, in the Eastern Orthodox church. With a jolt, I realised the two dates coincided precisely with the nights of the last two murder dates. September 29 was the night on which Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes were killed, and November 8 was the night of the final, most horrific of the murders, that of Mary Jane Kelly.
See how he went about his business and the people he asked to assist:
Dr Jari Louhelainen is a leading expert in genetic evidence from historical crime scenes, combining his day job as senior lecturer in molecular biology at Liverpool John Moores University with working on cold cases for Interpol and other projects. He agreed to conduct tests on the shawl in his spare time.
The tests began in 2011, when Jari used special photographic analysis to establish what the stains were.
Using an infrared camera, he was able to tell me the dark stains were not just blood, but consistent with arterial blood spatter caused by slashing – exactly the grim death Catherine Eddowes had met.
But the next revelation was the most heart-stopping. Under UV photography, a set of fluorescent stains showed up which Jari said had the characteristics of semen. I’d never expected to find evidence of the Ripper himself, so this was thrilling, although Jari cautioned me that more testing was required before any conclusions could be drawn.
Then he goes on to describe how they were successful in utilizing mitochondrial DNA in their identification. Quite impressive, if you ask me.
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
Are you sure you read the article?
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
If someone predicted the date of the end of the world, wait until the date given, and then decide whether it is conclusively legitimate. If nothing materializes (or dematerializes) it is inconclusively illegitimate. Not a difficult concept to grasp. But I think we are digressing from the thread, but you seem to like that. Back to the business at hand. Of all the books I've read, and documentaries I've watched, dealing with the subject, this is the best explanation yet. I also believe it was quite brilliantly done. This remains my personal view, whether you like it or not.
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Jack The Ripper Unmasked?
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/jack-ripper-unmasked-how-amateur-sleuth-used-dna-breakthrough-identify-britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html.
to be accepted as fact, these claims will have to be replicated.
metatron.
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Vidqun
I allow for the benefit of the doubt until their work is disproved. Did I, or anybody for that matter, use the word "conclusive?" I think you are first and only poster to use the word in this thread. Time will tell whether it is "conclusive" or not. Read the article through for their modus operandi. And yes, there will certainly be challengers. I am sure they are keeping this in mind and will be able to furnish the necessary answers in due course.