No, it's a partially fulfilled prophecy. You'll have to wait for the full package. It's even more interesting if you apply the clue of Rev. 11:8 where Egypt is used as an eponym for the world. So, then the prophecy has an even wider application.
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250Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Let's say the prophecy has had a partial fulfillment. According to above prophecies, there's some interesting developments to look forward to. Time will tell.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Here’s two prophecies of Isaiah that scholars had a problem with, especially Isaiah 19. If these did not come to pass in the past, they have now.
Syria, the country where the original King of the North was based, would be plunged into a vicious civil war during the latter part of the days. In Is. 17:1 we read of God’s pronouncement against Damascus : “Look! Damascus removed from being a city, and she has become a heap, a decaying ruin.” To me this is a reminder that Biblical prophecies should be taken seriously.
In connection with Egypt of Is. 19:1-15, Ringgren of TDOT, vol. VIII, p. 529, had the following to say:
The series of statements in Is. 19:1-15 is more problematical, and its authenticity is generally disputed based on stylistic considerations. A prediction is made for the dissolution of national order, the collapse of economic life, and the confusion of Egypt’s rulers. “A fierce king will rule over them” (v. 4: historical allusion or a prediction for the future?). Isaiah’s usual warning against reliance on Egyptian aid is absent. These assertians are followed by a series of statements introduced by bayyôm hahû’ [an eschatological marker] which are doubtlessly secondary….
As seen, a historical fit for Is. 19 would cause both exegete and interpreter untold problems. Such a period in Egyptian history cannot be identified. However, above statements would make perfect sense as a prediction for the future, as of now.
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Nebuchadnezzar's Dream--The Death of His Dynasty
by Tiresias infollowing my departure from the jehovah's witnesses, i have done my own research using preterism as a primary lens.
i would like to share my understanding of daniel chapter 2:.
31 "you looked, o king, and there before you stood a large statuean enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.
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Interesting interpretation Teresias, but going against the writer's own exposition. He would have said "king," but instead he mentions "kingdom" (see all versions and translations). I view the prophecy of Daniel as a unit, thus preferring the traditional explanation of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome, especially in the light of the four beasts of Dan. 7:
38b Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.
39 "After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.
40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron--for iron breaks and smashes everything--and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
(Dan 2:38-43 TNIV)
Coming back to the date of authorship, it seems to be moving back in time, according to the latest research. Three examples come to mind:
1) It is certainly possible that Daniel is the author of the book (Ant. 10:267), which would put the date of the book somewhere in the latter half of the sixth century B.C. [Footnote 1: On purely linguistic grounds, the similarity of the book’s Aramaic with that of Egyptian Aramaic texts from the fifth century B.C. makes a date in the latter part of the sixth century B.C. at least remotely possible.][1]
2) John J. Collins, a staunch defender of a late date Daniel, makes an unusual concession. While acknowledging that a “precise dating on linguistic grounds is not possible,” he concludes that the Aramaic of Daniel is later than that of the Samaria papyri (Wadi Daliyeh, fourth century BCE) but earlier than that of the Genesis Apocryphon (1Q20).[2]
3) The form of the prophecies of Dan. 8:23-25 and 11 is best explained if they originated in the Babylonian Dispersion and the author was well acquainted with the Babylonian omen literature, someone skilled in the language and letters of the Chaldeans, as the account in Dan. 1 indicates.[3]
[1] Michael B. Shepherd, Daniel in the Context of the Hebrew Bible (Studies in Biblical Literature, vol. 123), Peter Lang Publishing, New York 2009, pp. 65, 66.
[2] John J. Collins, A Commentary on the Book of Daniel, Hermeneia-series, pp. 16 [footnote 156], 17, and R. J. Korner, “The “Exilic” Prophecy of Daniel 7: Does It Reflect Late Pre-Maccabean or Early Hellenistic Historiography?” in Prophets, Prophecy, and Ancient Israelite Historiography [ed. M. J. Boda and L. M. Wray Beal; Leiden: Brill, 2013], p. 348.
[3] E. C. Lucas, “Daniel: Resolving the Enigma,” Vetus Testamentum, Vol. 50, Fasc. 1 (Jan., 2000), pp. 72-76.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Dan. 2 doesn't meet all your criteria (no specific dates), but is impressive nevertheless. Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar: “However, there exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what is to occur in the final part of the days” (Dan. 2:28). Modern scholars don't believe in predictive prophecy, so they prefer the sequence of the metals as Babylon (gold), Media (silver), Persia (copper), and Greece (iron). Problem with that explanation is that the writer of the book viewed the combined Medo-Persian Empire as the second kingdom (cf. Dan. 5:28; 8:20). If that is the case, the next kingdom would be that of Greece, with the fourth being Rome. The feet of iron and clay indicate the fragmentation of nations, very much like we have today. The destruction of the image and the setting up of God's kingdom would occur sometime in the future, "in the final part of the days." Why would his prediction be special? Because Rome only came on the scene in 63 BCE, when Pompey annexed Palestine. Even if Daniel was written 165 BCE as modern scholars contend, the author's prediction is quite accurate.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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SG098, I believe one's faith must be built on knowledge. This knowledge one attains through study. Study fields: History, language studies, everyday events, and yes, prophecy.
Viv, some prophecies pertain to the future. E.g. some of Daniel's prophecies. Here's a few quotes:
Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar: “However, there exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what is to occur in the final part [’acharith] of the days” [“the latter days,” KJV] (Dan. 2:28).[1]
Later the angel Gabriel informs Daniel: “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of [the] end” [“the end time,” NAB] (Dan. 8:17b).[2] He continues: “Here I am causing you to know what will occur in the final part [’acharith] of the denunciation, because it is for the appointed time of the end.” The “final part of the denunciation” refers to God’s anger during “the time of the end” (cf. Dan. 8:19, 25).
The small horn or fierce king will rise “in the final part [’acharith] of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to completion” (cf. Dan. 8:23). Gabriel concludes: “And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is for many days” [“it concerns the distant future,” NIV] (cf. Dan. 8:26b).
Concerning the final vision, the angel reveals: “And I have come to cause you to discern what will befall your people in the final part [’acharith] of the days, because it is a vision yet for the days [to come]” [“for the vision pertains to future days,” NET] (cf. Dan. 10:14). [Cursive script added.][3]
The final King of the North “will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish.” Again the “denunciation” here refers to God’s wrath, indicating that the final King of the North would from hereon remain the same, enjoying great success, until his destruction during the closing phase of “the end time” (cf. Dan. 11:36, 40, 45 NAB).
[1] This eschatological marker often occurs in the prophetic books of the Bible, corresponding to a new era in human history (Is. 2:2; Jer. 23:20; 30:24; 48:47; 49:39; Dan. 12:13; Hosea 3:5; Mic. 4:1; cf. Ezek. 38:8, 16).
[2] This eschatological marker occurs six times in the book of Daniel. Only the prophet Daniel would make use of it (cf. Dan. 8:17, 19; 11:35, 40; 12:4, 9).
[3] Like the Septuagint text of Jeremia, the Messianism of Daniel would look towards a future fulfillment beyond the historical fulfillment of Ezra-Nehemiah (cf. Dan. 7:13, 14; 9:25). In Dan. 2:28 the Hebraism (“at the end of the days”) sets the stage for the eschatology of the book. It is also a connection between the Aramaic and Hebrew section (cf. Dan. 2:28; 10:14). See Michael B. Shepherd, The Verbal System of Biblical Aramaic: A Distributional Approach (Studies in Biblical Literature, vol. 116), Peter Lang Publishing, New York 2008, pp. 14, 15.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Phizzy and Bart, I forgot to add the following excerpt from the article:
From several statements made by Josephus, it seems clear that he viewed the fulfillment of the prophecy in the events leading up to A.D. 70 rather than in the Maccabean era.
Bibliotheca Sacra Volume 166. 2009 (662) (183). Dallas , TX : Dallas Theological Seminary. Footnote: Although Josephus’s comments are somewhat vague, this seems to be the most sensible interpretation of his remarks. See especially The Jewish Wars 4.5.2 (318, 323) and 6.2.1 (109-10), in The Works of Josephus, trans. William Whiston (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1987). For further discussion see William Adler, “The Apocalyptic Survey of History Adapted by Christians: Daniel’s Prophecy of Seventy Weeks,” in The Jewish Apocalyptic Heritage in Early Christianity, ed. James C. VanderKam and William Adler (Minneapolis: Fortress, 1996), 210-16; Beckwith, “ Daniel 9 and the Date of Messiah’s Coming,” 532-36; F. F. Bruce, “Josephus and Daniel,” Annual of the Swedish Theological Institute 4 (1965): 148-62; and Geza Vermes, “Josephus’ Treatment of the Book of Daniel,” Journal of Jewish Studies 42 (1991): 149-66.
Viv, Jesus refers to himself as “son of man” many times. This is but a few. There’s many more: Matt. 8:20; 9:6; 17:12; Mr. 2:10, 11, 28; Luk. 6:5, 22; 7:34; John 3:14; 5:27; 8:28.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Bart, two points for you attention. First, the title "anointed one," is translated Messiah in Hebrew and Christ in Greek. In Israel the prospective king was anointed with oil. So anointing in Israel was closely associated with kingship not priesthood (see Saul, David, Solomon, etc.). Second point, notice the context, i.e., the rest of Daniel. In Dan. 2:44 , 45 God’s Kingdom is mentioned. For this kingdom a king needs to be appointed. In Dan. 4:24 , 25 mentions that in time God will appoint a king of his choosing. This king is identified in Dan. 7:13 , 14 as “someone like a son of man.” Jesus often referred to himself as “the son of man.” The time for his appearance as designated king is predicted at Dan. 9:24-27 . Afterwards the city and the temple were to be destroyed.
Phizzy, the earliest Christian mention of the Seventy Weeks prophecy is in the Epistle of Barnabas (ca. A.D. 100). Otherwise no extended discussion of this prophecy has been found in Christian literature before the late second century A.D. Prior to this, however, several Jewish writings include chronological schemes, some of which are based on the passage (e.g. that of the Essenes). The writers of the DSS, like Leolaia, believed in two messiahs, one a king and one a priest. The earliest clear Christian reference to Daniel 9:24-27 is by Irenaeus in his Against Heresies (ca. A.D. 180). In Book 5.25.3 he clearly linked the prophecy of the little horn in Daniel 7 to 2 Thessalonians 2 , and he indicated that the Antichrist will be in power three and a half years, etc.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
So, you are left with exercising good judgement, whether a report is true, half-true or false. And you have to allow for the benefit of the doubt. Take for example Josephus' testimony on Daniel. Do you accept it as fact or fiction:
Josephus (ca. 100 CE) would view Daniel as “one of the greatest prophets,” because not only did he prophesy future things, but he also fixed the time during which these would come to pass. He viewed the third kingdom of Dan. 2 as Greece, “from the west,” intimating that the fourth would be Rome. He was also of the opinion that the book of Daniel was in existence prior to the arrival of Alexander the Great in the fourth century BCE. Elsewhere Josephus interprets the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes as being the fulfillment of prophecies made by Daniel in the 6th century BCE. He also tells of a tower that Daniel had built at the height of his fame, at Ecbatana or Susa (according to Jerome’s copy) that became the burial place of kings. This structure was still in existence in his day, so his detractors could go and see it.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
The following is a prophecy with a promise in the book of Revelation. Time will tell whether it comes true or not:
But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth. (Rev 11:18 NWT)