Posts by Vidqun

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Wizzstick, why do you get so agitated? Is that not what you believe? So what are you going to teach your child? Be kind to your cousins, the apes and monkeys. A childish response to a childish theory, I know. But even if you put in highfiluted, technical language, it still come out as stupid. Let's not give children a bad name. I think most of them are far too intelligent to stomach such ludicrous notions. Fortunately, today they have a choice. They will not be railroaded into believing such gibberish.

Never a jw: Or perhaps you are talking about our current western civilization ethics, which trace their origins to Christianity, but have been vastly improved by secular humanism.

Never a jw, I was worried that you will not get round to it. Yes, the above is what I am referring to. Have you read through the NT? If not, do so. It might be a new experience for you.

DJS, you're right about one thing, luck has nothing to do with it. And no, I'm afraid you don't know me at all and your estimate is all wrong. But believe it or not, that doesn't concern me at all. My favorite saying: Time will tell. Here's my final gift to you. This is what lies ahead. They might appear in our lifetime, they might not, but they will come. It's a promise. Those that will experience them will only have two choices before them. May each and everyone make right choice. If it doesn't happen, the joke's on me, but if it does happen, the joke's on all of you that feel the urge to ridicule:

3 I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth."

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies; if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.

6 These men have the power to close the sky so that it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. They also have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with any plague whenever they want.

18 The nations were angry, but Your wrath has come. The time has come for the dead to be judged, and to give the reward to Your servants the prophets, to the saints, and to those who fear Your name, both small and great, and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth. (Rev. 11:3-6, 18 CSBO)

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Double post. Slow Internet connection.

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Elders and Attendants sing, clap and turn backs on Street Preacher after Duluth RC.

by ToesUp in

very strange behavior by the attendants and elders after the duluth, ga, rc.

on the first link the attendants start to exit the arena, then line up and turn their backs on the street preachers.

(around the 6:00 mark).. elders and attendants after duluth rc.

Vidqun

Two possibilities here: Either 1) The elders and MS bravely stage a diversion, while the sisters and children are evacuated safely through the back door. Or 2) It's called "the measuring of the penis." Look, mine is bigger.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Perhaps, before I answer let's get all the facts straight. Let's look at the context. Why did I offer my credentials? This is why:

Cofty: Vidqun that is the sort of facile argument the Watchtower relies on.
You really haven't read a single science book have you?
What do you know about the origin of some of the organelles inside our complex eukaryotic cells? Have you read anything about endosymbiosis? It is fascinating.
Did you know for example that our mitochondria were originally free-living α-proteobacteria? Did you know they still have their own DNA including active genes? Also some genes that were originally in mitochondria have transferred to the nucleus. The ones that are left in the mitochondria are still there for a good reason to do with cellular respiration. Would you like me to recommend a fascinating book on this topic?

You've asked me (and many others that do not agree with you) if I read any books on science, as though I am an idiot. That's why I offered my credentials. To prove that I have read a few books in my lifetime. But having such credentials doesn't give me a Noddy Badge, does it? Only thing they prove is that I can read and write and that I have studied a few books on the subject. I repeat, my credentials are not important. Perhaps you've got a complex about credentials?

However the neutral mutations of their genes proves their common ancestry with all other living things.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no such thing as a neutral mutation. By its very existence, a nucleotide cannot be neutral. This is because nucleotides take up space, affect spacing between other nucleotide sites, affect regional nucleotide composition, DNA folding and nucleosome building. In fact even if a nucleotide contains no information it is still not neutral as it slows cell replication and wastes energy. This means there is no way to mutate or to change an individual without biological effect. Ultimately the entire population will become extinct because essentially all "neutral" mutations are harmful. And, I am sorry to say, there are no truly neutral mutations that are going to stop this genetic meltdown. The only surprise here is that the human race has not as yet become extinct.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Thanks, Cantleave, a very enlightening video. I'll try and keep those points in mind.

Cofty: Very few people die cancer before reaching reproductive age, so cancer has little effect on the gene pool. It is mostly a disease of age as mutations accumulate.

I'm glad you add the word "mostly." Recently a close family member developed colon cancer. The hospital that she attended had a whole children's ward full of young cancer patients. So, here I have to disagree with your statement which contradicts the facts.

Cofty: I call it increased morphological complexity.

Well, Cofty, again our species has reached the top of the food chain. We eat everything else. With our morphological complexity and all, I call it "improvement."

Perhaps the most unscientific thing ever written by somebody who claimed to be a retired professional scientist.

Not only is it scientific, it is true. Spider's, horseshoe crabs, the coelecanth, etc. have not changed. Why would their genes have stabilized, while other organisms would be prone to change? It's a mystery. Or is it a mere logical fallacy on my part?

WhatshallIcallmyself, Wallace and Grommit can't be wrong. They were there. It is an established fact.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Hi there Cantleave, hope you are feeling better. Thanks for the contribution. My credentials are not important. I don't worry about it. So, don't you and Cofty worry about it.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Cofty, you are so clever. From a one-celled organism to a human being, I call that improvement. What do you call it? The cancer ratio is now 1:4. We'll see whether it goes up. I say it goes up. What say you? Oh yes, you say No.

Let me answer for you. Through natural selection those that die of cancer will take themselves out of the equation. It'll be survival of the fittest. Those that survive will be an improvement of what went before. Their offspring will flourish. So, yes, your model predict improvement.

Let's be specific now. Remember the football analogy? Is the pot not calling the kettle black? Oh yes, and we're back to "claiming to be professional scientist." Really, it's like a stuck record. It's getting boring. How about a variation on the theme?

You know the problem with the evolution theory? It's based on a lie. The DNA of the organism determines the organism: dog DNA > dog, cat DNA > cat, frog DNA > frog, spider DNA > spider. Nothing more, nothing less. The organism has the ability to adapt, but not to change into a new organism. The latter falls squarely in the realms of evolution and Science Fiction.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

OrphanCrow, so you will tell your child: The "Princess and the Frog" is a fable. It doesn't work like that. But let me explain how it does work. The frog, after a few million years, migrated to the land and gradually improved itself. End product: A human being. So you can kiss the frog. If you wait a few million years it will become a prince. Yes, silly, I know, but that's the gist of what you are saying.

The parents of this generation of children were either Christian or ex-Christian, so they would have made their influence felt. Deeply ingrained (Christian) ethics were passed on to children. But the next generation, the me-generation, will not have the benefit of a Christian connection. That will be the real test. Natural selection and the survival of the fittest will be the norm. In the end, I believe it would be bad news indeed. I hope I'm wrong.

According to evolutionists, we are constantly improving ourselves. According to geneticists, we are gradually deteriorating. So when it comes to cancer, it will get worse before it gets better. More and more people will develop cancer, so far the stats indicate one in four. Hopefully the scientists will produce a cure, otherwise the ratio will go up.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Daddy, where do I come from? Originally from a one-celled organism, later a tadpole, then a monkey. All of these are your ancestors. You are on top of the food chain. Make sure you stay there. Be what you want, do what you want, just don't get caught. Yes, I can see that working. Good luck with that.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

Vidqun

Orphan Crow your opinion is slanted. You and your fellow evolutionists are on the same level as religionists. Evolution is nothing more than a religion, and a worthless one at that. A lot of faith is involved. How did life start? No, you don't know. How did life develop? No, you don't know. Religionists don't know all the facts either. They need to put faith in what they believe. The reasoning, that the original DNA of one-celled organisms, through mutation, would change to bring forth complex life forms, is enough to boggle the mind. Now, you need a lot of faith to believe that. I demonstrate it with a picture to make it more understandable:

From fish to man and back to fish. To believe this, borders on gullibility. Okay, there's some truth in the final stage of development. Man excells in producing garbage. But go for it and do teach it to your children. See how they turn out.